The 9-11 Truth Movement (Read)

The 9-11 truth movement is growing rapidly, please help it out.
http://www.911truth.org

For those of you who dont know what it is about I suggest reading the website... Basically it is about finding the truth about what happened on 9/11 and having a REAL investigation done on the possibility of the bush administation being behind the 9-11 attacks and using them as a tool for political gain. All the real facts point to this being true, so whether or not you believe in the original story or the conspiracy, we all should not let that detur us from investigating the truth... so if the conspiracy is in fact false, we should have an investigation and have the claims leid to rest with real evidence that proves that the bush administration could not have carried out the attacks. Either way we win, because we will have known without a doubt the truth.

"The top 15 reasons to doubt the official story of Sept. 11, 2001"

• Disclaimer
  Background Issues: The Abiding Truth Deficit
• 1) The 9/11 Commission Fraud: Conflicts, Collapse and Cover-up
• 2) The Hundreds of Still Unanswered Questions, the Scores of Documented Lies
  Motive Issues: Cui Bono - Who Profits Most?
• 3) Instant Fulfillment of Neocon Wish List
• 4) Political Bonanza for Bush/Rove team
• 5) Scale and Diversity of Profiteering
  Means and Opportunity Issues: How to Make it Happen
• 6) Ignored Foreign Warnings
• 7) Quashed Domestic Investigations
• 8) Incapacitated Oversight
• 9) Disabled Air Defenses
• 10) The Amazing Disappearing National Chain of Command
• 11) The Pakistan Intelligence Chief Who Loved Everyone At Once
  Aftermath Issues: How to Keep the Lid On
• 12) The Bitter Fight Against Investigations
• 13) The Amazing Disappearing Evidence
• 14) The Amazing Disappearing Demand for Accountability
  Wildcard Issues: Just How Stupid They Think We Are
• 15) The Ripley Believe It or Not Sideshow of 9/11 Miracles
• Epilogue: For the 9/11 Legacy Victims Still Dying in New York

 

To learn more details about this, read "Crossing the Rubican" by Michael C. Rupport, or visit their alternative media site at www.fromthewilderness.com where you can also buy this amazing book.

 

interesting

 

Why is it that threads which say "read" in the title are rarely worth reading?

Mui, you're one step away from Alex Jones and the Illuminati. Its a shame.

 

This thread is very worth reading. Or would you rather just "go back to sleep"....

 

Alex jones, I have mixed feelings about alex jones.
But the 9-11 truth movement and alex jones' ideas are two seperate issues.
obviously they have commonality but they also have their differences... for instance, alex jones is set on the idea that there is some sort of satanic cultist worship going on by the members of the illuminati.. Alex jones is also a tool for whatever "libertarian" movement exists and is a tool in the fact that his videos and books are mostly scams and poorly thought out conspiracy theories to give him money. He uses communism as a catalyst for more conspiracies and more videos and eventually more money for him.

The 9-11 truth movement is different... The reasons to not believe the original story are derived from actual evidence, mainstream press, all kinds of legitimate sources. One cannot simply stand by and never investigate the truth... like I said, whether you are a republican or a democrat, a radical leftist or a part of the religious right, we should all agree that there needs to be a real investigation done... the truth HAS to be known... it is in the best interest of American Citizens not just a single political ideology.

and if you look at the facts, actually take the time to read the links I provided and read the documents they list on the website, well than there is no way you can simply dismiss the truth movement as just some stupid conspiracy. The writer of the book "9-11 ommissions and distortions" gave a speech @ the university of Wisconsin about the movement and his book and the reliability behind the evidence that points to the Bush administration carrying out the 9/11 attacks.... for the first time ever the truth movement has been publicized on television, so we r hoping that the movement continues to grow as it is right now.

I would go off on the things that prove the original 9-11 story wrong, but I listed everything that you need to read inthe original post, so there is no sense in repeating what you would read.

but I will summarize:

Why did the buildings fall the way they did if there were no planted explosives?
Why did the hard concrete turn into dust if there was no explosion and only fire damage?
Why did the government carry away lots of evidence in trucks shortly after 9/11?
Why did the "terrorists" attack the east wing of the pentagon that was being renovated and fortified, while all the american political figures were located at the west end?
Just how did these terrorists get past the american defense system? not to mention the pentagons defense system? or our latest radar detectors?

If president bush had just received notice that there was a suicide attack on the world trade center and the pentagon, why did the secret service men that protect him not rush him away to safety instantly... instead he spent his time carrying out his WELL PUBLICIZED speech to children in florida... the secret service are trained to protect the president at all costs, why did they not rush him off to safety... .for all they could have known there could have been a plane on its way to crash into where bush was at the time.

Everything just doesnt add up, and this is a tiny fraction of the evidence against Bush.
I encourage you to read for yourself instead of reading my summarys of a few points that were made.

Anyone who loves what america is supposed to stand for should be moved by this thread and find it worth reading... If you believe in the principles of Justice, Democracy, Freedom and Equality... and if you are against Dictatorships, Terrorism, Absolutism, cruel human rights, police states, world government... than the issue of whether or not George Bush's administration carried out the 9-11 attacks is of vital importance... not only to America but to the prospect of Democracy and Freedom... because if this is true, than there is a serious problem going on in America today... and it is in every citizens best interests to fix this problem.

With such a good case which has already proved to many that George Bush without a doubt helped carry out the 9-11 attacks (many people, including college professors... very educated, knowledgable and respectful people, including wisconsin senator Russ Feingold even said it was a possibility.)
it is important to have an investigation to know the truth... If george bush really had not been a part of it, he should welcome the investigation with open arms... but the administration has been running away and ignoring the truth movement, but they know damn well that it is there.

For anyone who values the country, or values the values of the country.. what the founding fathers stood for... they should help the 9-11 truth movement... because if this is true, it will destroy the values which the country had... if it is true, we need to act now to fix the problems and get our legitimacy back.

The world is waiting and watching the 9-11 truth movement, not just America... people all over the world want Truth to be shined through on a very very cloudy situation, which has not really been investigated much, which many questions havent been asked, which many questions havent been answered..

Like I said this thing isnt about a certain political ideology... its not about liberalism vs conservativism... its about protecting and standing for what we say we believe in...

Many people such as the families of the 9-11 victims have joined the 9-11 truth movement, and will be one of our biggest voices to get a massive investigation underway.

 

fna:
physics911 presents the research of people like professor dewdney (emeritus professor in maths) and is a sober read. not alex jones or illuminati like in any way but scholarly and empirical. dewdney proved that it's impossible to make a mobile phone call from an aeroplane at greater altitudes than 10,000 ft i think. this discovery puts a serious hole in the official version of events and makes one consider the possibility of government compliance (if mobile phone calls cant be made from an aeroplane in mid-air then who made those dramatic calls mid hijacking?).
http://physics911.net/ and
http://physics911.ca/

 

i just really want to stress the idea that this isnt motivated by one political ideology... its not just for radical leftists or democrats or republicans... everyone will be effected by the outcome of the investigation... it is important for everyone to know the truth about 9-11.. If you are so certain that bush is innocent, than an investigation is still needed to settle the false rumors and finally shut up the liberals who had been chanting them, is it not?
Its a win win situation.
The only thing that is wrong with this is if no investigation ever takes place.... that is the only way americans as citizens cannot benefit from this movement.

So finally there is a movement where it is not about politics... where conservatives liberals radicals and moderates come together as one to fight for the Truth... not to fight for a political ideology... we are fighting for what america is supposed to stand for... Our founding fathers would be proud of us.

So wont you join us? Help spread word about the 9-11 truth movement... its getting around quite fast and getting very huge... we are not fighting to get rid of bush or to further his career, we just want the truth.

 

What phones were being used by the passengers on the flight ?.

Is it because they 'roam'

Since customers are already using the cell phones on the ground and even calling and talking loudly from their FIRST CLASS seat with drink in hand during the FEDERALLY MANDATED FAA safety announcements and getting up out of their seats with phone in hand and seatbelt undone BEFORE the plane comes to a complete stop at the gate ... I say WHY NOT? Cell phones possibly used to emit radiation but so does the sun and well who knows I love the rudeness of most cell phone users, restaurants, church service on and on!

http://traveltalk.usatoday.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/15/1621220

http://www.economist.com/business/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2559174

I have never heard this one before, i just thought it was because the 'risk' to the plane . You learn something diabolical every day.

 

why should i believe this?

 

because the sources used to credit this information are reliable and respectable.

'Disclaimer
There are literally scores of substantial reasons to doubt, reject or ridicule the official 9/11 story. However, their relative importance in spurring people to disbelief still largely depends upon subjective factors like professional knowledge and personal experience. Engineers, for example, are often driven to 9/11 skepticism by the inexplicable WTC collapses, investors by the apparent insider trading and huge war profits of the aftermath, pilots by the novice hijackers' astounding aerial skill, veterans by the suddenly dysfunctional national air defense system, journalists by the stonewall secrecy and investigation phobia, civil servants by the total disinterest in accountability, libertarians by the anthrax-assisted stampede to rubberstamp the repressive "Patriot Act", etc, etc. Others are simply insulted to incredulity by the number of coincidences we are asked to believe to make the official story seem true. (See "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11" for a brutally funny walk through that particular fairyland.)
In other words, our Top 15 reasons to doubt the official 9/11 story currently listed here are not meant to be definitive. They are simply important things for ordinary people to consider when facing the crimes of 9/11 and pondering how little we really know. Please stayed tuned as we continue to revise them based upon new revelations and your help."

it is more about investigating to find the truth... we know we dont know everything, that's why we need an investigation to discover the truth and test the theories in which people have been wondering.

 

Same thing i was thinking, but

It might be re-investigating the investigated and comeing to a more balanced 'midle ground' , i dunno. I have read enough to have come to a conclusion , but sure

this has merit.

Not being american, i will just say..it will be nice to put this one to bed and not have it 'JFK' style be gone over and over and over till my death.

 

reading your posts through out these forums Mui, i wouldnt believe anything you say.

 

if something is a conspiracy theory it does not automatically have zero credibility.
Conspiracy theories do happen... they have many times in the past... do you guys remember the manhattan project?

http://www.me.utexas.edu/~uer/manhattan/

is a good example of a conspiracy theory that was later revealed years after it had happened... a lot of us suspect the same thing to happen with the 9-11 attacks... in due time, the truth will be known.

considering the president never gets asked the important questions, and refuses to answer them... i would say it is safe to say we dont know the truth now... that the peoples understanding of what happened that day is very distorted and cloudy.

Dont believe Mui, he's a fucking commie, malcom-x-loving,tree-hugging-flag-burning-asshole.
He doesnt watch Fox news, or any of those other reputable sources so why should we trust him?!

But really, I think you need to realize t hat this isnt coming from Mui...
That 911truth.org and the articles used in it are in no way related to me or have ever came from me.
So its not coming from me.
Im just a little messenger bird...
tweet tweet.

Maybe you would believe it more if it were coming from college professors?

 

reading your posts through out these forums Mui, i wouldnt believe anything you say.Today 08:03 PM

hahahaha i was being polite, almost trusting.. fair enough if you are being honest Mui. The website does not seem as reasoned as you.

'Disclaimer
There are literally scores of substantial reasons to doubt, reject or ridicule the official 9/11 story. However, their relative importance in spurring people to disbelief still largely depends upon subjective factors like professional knowledge and personal experience. Engineers, for example, are often driven to 9/11 skepticism by the inexplicable WTC collapses, investors by the apparent insider trading and huge war profits of the aftermath, pilots by the novice hijackers' astounding aerial skill, veterans by the suddenly dysfunctional national air defense system, journalists by the stonewall secrecy and investigation phobia, civil servants by the total disinterest in accountability, libertarians by the anthrax-assisted stampede to rubberstamp the repressive "Patriot Act", etc, etc. Others are simply insulted to incredulity by the number of coincidences we are asked to believe to make the official story seem true. (See "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11" for a brutally funny walk through that particular fairyland.)
In other words, our Top 15 reasons to doubt the official 9/11 story currently listed here are not meant to be definitive. They are simply important things for ordinary people to consider when facing the crimes of 9/11 and pondering how little we really know. Please stayed tuned as we continue to revise them based upon new revelations and your help."


I was going to pick out the notions that have been gone over and over , and pick out the 'other side' nope impossible the whole lot was just a vailed (badly) attempt at reasonability... *sigh*

To the death it seems this will go on..

 

Plz read more than just the disclaimer

Damn right.

 

i dont really believe anyone anymore, espeically people on the far left. mui, what do college professors have to do with this?

 

so don't believe anyone... but it isnt about believing one way or another, its about finding the truth.

arent you believing in bush by believing in his conspiracy? That americas defense systems just took a lil break on 9-11? You are believing in what bush feeds you, essentially..

But it isnt about believing in bush or not its finding out whatever the truth is and asking more important questions and getting straight answers.

Well, you seem to discredit everything I say because afterall im just a fucking liberal commie bastard what the fuck do I know. Shit, im 19, im a dumb fuck.. don't believe anything I say... i figured maybe you would trust someone who has a career of educating people on the most professional level... but probably not... afterall, yer a badass mofo, you dont believe in any1.


Anywho, this whole point of this thread isnt about believing anyone, its about investigating for truth.

Trust me I dont expect texans to listen to anyone.

 

I did, nothing disputes the notions of the reality the site perpetuates. Was i not looking closely enough ?.

I am sorry if you thought this was a 'competition' i just meant i don't wish to hear about this for the next 50-60 years, thats what i meant.

My interpretation, if it came from a person of 'book learning' (how quaint that is) then possible fanciful notions will have legitamacy. We will all take note of these people.

 

who said i believe bush? quit puttin words in my mouth. just because youre a college professor doesnt mean youre gonna be honest and not to try to persuade someone to get them on your side.
screw