The Bible Led Me to Islam

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    Abdul Malik LeBlanc tells how he discovered Islam within the pages of Bible
    During my Christian days there were many verses in the Bible that made me question the religion I was following (Christianity). There was one particular verse, 1 Thessalonians 5:17 which says; "pray without ceasing," that lingered heavily in my mind. I often wondered how a person (Christian) was supposed to pray (be in a state of worship) without ceasing? Without any biblical or divine guidance, the only way I thought this to be possible was to always do good deeds and keep the remembrance of God on my tongue and in my heart.
    However, I found this to be impossible to do as a human being. But when I was introduced to Islam in 1987, and began to read and learn more about this way of life, I found that Islam provided divine guidance both from God (Allah) and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) by which a person could pray (be in a state of worship) without ceasing, if it was the Will of God.
    Whether waking up, eating, sleeping, putting on clothes, being in the presence of a woman, looking at a woman, going shopping, going to the bathroom, looking in the mirror, traveling, visiting the sick, sitting in a non-religious meeting, taking a bath, having sexual intercourse with one’s wife, yawning, cutting you nails, sneezing, greeting people, talking, hosting guests at home, walking, exercising, fighting, entering one’s house, praying and many other acts, Islam and the guidance therein of the Quran, and the acts and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), provided ways in which I could observe 1 Thessalonians 5:17. In addition, it allowed me to be at peace with myself and in submission to the one True God - Allah (SWT).
    This divine guidance of Islam taught me greatly about my duties, responsibilities and birthright to my Creator (Allah), and more about the religion of Christianity as a Muslim, I [By the Will of Allah (SWT)] felt it necessary to share with you how the Bible led me to Islam.
    Christianity
    Given the fact that there has never been in the history of the Torah (Old Testament) the religion of God to be named after a Prophet (i.e. Adaminity, Abrahamity, Mosanity, etc.), I hope to explain that Jesus did not preach the religion of Christianity, but a religion that gives all Praise and Worship to The One God.
    One of the questions I asked myself as I took an objective (second) look at Christianity was; where did the word Christianity come from and was the word ever mentioned to Jesus? Well, I did not find the word Christianity in the Bible, not even in a Bible dictionary. Specifically, I did not find in the Bible where Jesus called himself a Christian.
    The word Christian was first mentioned by a pagan to describe those who followed Jesus. It is mentioned one of three times in the New Testament by a pagan and Jew in Antioch about 43 AD, (Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16) long after Jesus left this earth. To accept the words of pagans as having any value or association with divinity, Jesus or God is contrary to the teachings of all Prophets.
    Jesus prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in doctrines made by men (Matthew 15:9).
    "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." This verse, Matthew 15:9, is further supported by these words of the Quran:
    "And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: "Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower o fall that is hidden and unseen.
    Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world)." (Al-Ma’idah 5:116-117)
    I found that Biblical verses like John 5:30, John 12:49, John 14:28, Isaiah 42:8 and Acts 2:22 support the above mentioned verses of the Quran.
    Before leaving the subject of Christianity, I should mention one small point of observation. If Christians are Christ-like, why are they not greeting each other with the words; Peace be with you (Salamu Alaikum), as Jesus did in Luke 24:36. As you may be aware, the greeting from one Muslim to another Muslim is Assalamu Alaikum; a Christ-like saying.
    Various Holy Bibles

    It is worth mentioning that the Bible references cited might not be exactly as the Bible you are using. There are MANY Bibles on the market that are used by different Christian sects and all of these sects say that their book, though different, is the word of God. Such Bibles are: The Revised Standard Version 1952 & 1971, New American Standard Bible, The Holy Bible; New International Version, the Living Bible, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witnesses, Roman Catholic Version and the King James Version. A special note: I have not found in any of these Bibles where the "New Testament" calls itself the "New Testament," and nowhere does the "Old Testament" call itself the "Old? Testament." Also, the word "Bible" is unknown within the pages of the Bible.
    In addition to the many different Christian sects and Bibles, I have learned that there are also different men, not Prophets, who founded these sects and are using various interpretations of the Bible and/or man-made doctrines as their creed.
    I would like to share with you some thoughts that you may not have read or known about the Bible being the word of God. Briefly, let me mention that on September 8, 1957, the Jehovah’s witnesses in their "Awake" magazine carried this startling headline - 50,000 Errors in the Bible. If you ask a Jehovah’s witness about this headline, it may be said that today most of those errors have been eliminated. How many have been eliminated, 5,000? Even if 50 remain, would one attribute those errors to God?
    Let me pose another question: if a "Holy" book contained conflicting verses would you still consider it to be Holy? Most likely you will say of course not. Let me share with you some conflicting verses both in the Old and New Testaments:
    II Samuel 8:4 (vs)
    II Samuel 8:9-10
    II Kings 8:26
    II Samuel 6:23
    Genesis 6:3
    John 5:37
    John 5:31
    I Chronicles 18:4
    I Chronicles 18:9-10
    II Chronicles 22:2
    II Samuel 21:8
    Genesis 9:29
    John 14:9
    John 8:14


    Only two contradictions of the New Testament have been mentioned, but others will be referenced when the Trinity, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Original Sin and Atonement are reviewed.
    How could the "inspired words" of God get the genealogy of Jesus incorrect (See Matthew 1:6-16 where it states 26 forefathers up to Prophet David, and Luke 3:23-31 says 41 in number). Or for that matter, give a genealogy to Jesus who had NO father? See II Kings 19:1-37, now read Isaiah 37:1-38. Why is it that the words of these verse are identical? Yet they have been attributed to two different authors, one unknown and the other is Isaiah, who are centuries apart; and yet, the Christians have claimed these books to be inspired by God.
    I looked up the word Easter in the Nelson Bible dictionary and learned that the word "Easter" (as mentioned in Acts 12:4) is a mistranslation of "pascha," the ordinary Greek word for "Passover." As, you know Passover is a Jewish celebration not a Christian holiday. I think human hands, all to human, had played havoc with the Bible.
    From the brief points mentioned above, and the fact that Biblical scholars themselves have recognized the human nature and human composition of the Bible (Curt Kuhl, The Old Testament: Its Origin and Composition, PP 47, 51, 52), there should exist in the Christian’s mind some acceptance to the fact that maybe every word of the Bible is not God’s word.
    As a side note to this subject, let me mention that some Christians believe that the Bible was dictated to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) by a Christian monk, and that is why some of the biblical accounts are in the Quran. After some research, I found that this could not have happened because there were no Arabic Bible in existence in the 6th century of the Christian era when Muhammad (SAW) lived and preached. Therefore, no Arab, not even Prophet Muhammad (SAW) who was absolutely unlettered and unlearned, would have had the opportunity to examine the written text of the Bible in his own language.
    The Gospels
    If you read Luke 1:2-3, you will learn, as I did, that Luke (who was not one of the 12 disciples and never met Jesus) said that he himself was not an eyewitness, and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitnesses, and not as words inspired by God. Incidentally, why does every "Gospel" begin with the introduction According to. Why "according to?" the reason for this is because not a single one of the gospels carries its original author’s autograph! Even the internal evidence of Matthew 9:9 proves that Matthew was not the author of the first Gospel which bears his name:
    "And as Jesus passed forth thence, He (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and He (Jesus) saith unto Him (Matthew), follow me (Jesus). And he (Matthew) arose, and followed Him (Jesus)."
    Without any stretch of the imagination, one can see that the He’s and the Him’s of the above narration do not refer to Jesus or Matthew as its author, but a third person writing what he saw or heard - a hearsay account and not words inspired by God.
    It is worth noting, and well known throughout the religious world, that the choice of the present four "gospels" of the New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were imposed in the Council of Nicea 325 CE for political purposes under the auspices of the pagan Emperor Constantine, and not by Jesus. Constantine’s mind had not been enlightened either by study or by inspiration. He was a pagan, a tyrant and criminal who murdered his son, his wife and thousands of innocent individuals because of his lust for political power. Constantine ratified other decisions in the Nicene Creed such as the decision to call Christ "the Son of God, only begotten of the father."
    Literally, hundreds of gospels and religious writings were hidden from the people. Some of those writings were written by Jesus’ disciples, and many of them were eyewitness accounts of Jesus’ actions. The Nicea Council decided to destroy all gospels written in Hebrew, which resulted in the burning of nearly three hundred accounts. If these writings were not more authentic than the four present gospels, they were of equal authenticity. Some of them are still available such as the Gospel of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas which agree with the Quran. The Gospel of Barnabas, until now, is the only eyewitness account of the life and mission of Jesus. Even today, the whole of the Protestant word, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists and other sects and denominations condemn the Roman Catholic version of the Bible because it contains seven "extra" books. The Protestant have bravely expunged seven whole books from their word of God. A few of the outcasts are the Books of Judith, Tobnias, Baruch and Esther.
    Concerning Jesus’ teachings of the Gospel (Injeel), the Gospel writers frequently mentioned Jesus preaching the Gospel: Matthew 9:35, Mark 8:35, and Luke 20:1. The word "gospel" is recurrently used in the Bible. However, in the New Testament Greek edition the word Evangeline is used in place of the word gospel, which is translated to mean good news. My question was: what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus, and only of the 27 books are known to be attributed as the Gospel of Jesus. The remaining 23 were supposedly written by Paul. Muslims do believe that Jesus was given God’s "Good News." However, they do not recognized the present four Gospels as the utterances of Jesus.
    The earliest Gospel is that of Mark’s which was written about 60-75 AD. Mark was the son of Barnabas’s sister. Matthew was a tax collector, a minor official who did not travel around with Jesus. Luke’s Gospel was written much later, and in fact, drawn from the same sources as Mark’s and Matthew’s. Luke was Paul’s physician, and like Paul, never met Jesus. By the way, did you know that the names Marks and Luke were not included in the 12 appointed disciples of Jesus as mentioned in Matthew 10:2-4?
    Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; the first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
    John’s Gospel is from a different source, and was written in about 100 AD. He (John) should not be confused with John, the disciple, who was beheaded by Agrippa I in the year 44 CE long before this gospel was written. It should be accepted as a reliable account of the life of Jesus, and whether it should be included in the scriptures.
    Christians, as I once did, boast about the Gospels according to Matthew, according to Mark, according to Luke and according to John. However, if we think about it, there is not a single Gospel according to Jesus himself. According to the preface of the KJV (King James Version) new open Bible study edition, the word "Gospel" was added (see below) to the original titles, "According to John, according to Matthew, according to Luke and according to Mark."
    The permission to call "According to" writings the Gospel was not given by Jesus nor by any other divine guidance. These writings; Matthew, Luke, Mark and John, were never originally to be the Gospel. Therefore, Mark 1:1 can not be a true statement that his writing is the gospel of Jesus.
    It should be mentioned that Muslims must believe in all Divine scriptures in their original form, their Prophets and making no distinction between them: The Suhuf (Abraham); Torah (Moses); Psalms (David); Gospel - or the Injeel (Jesus); and the Quran (Muhammad). It is clearly stated in the Quran 3:3 that Allah sent down the Torah and the Gospel. However, none of these scriptures remains in its original form now, except the Quran, which was sent for all mankind everywhere and for all times.

    In addition to other reasons why the Quran was sent to mankind, as mentioned in 18:4-5 it was sent to warn the Christians of a terrible punishment from God if they cease not in saying: "Allah has begotten a son."

    Muslims sincerely believe that everything Jesus (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) preached was from God; the Gospel (Injeel): The "good news" and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. There is no place mentioned in the present four Gospels that Jesus wrote a single word of his Gospel, nor is it mentioned that Jesus instructed anyone to do so. What passes off, as the "Gospels" today are the works of third party human hands. The Quran 2:79 says:
    "And woe to those who write the book with their own hands and they say: "This is from Allah (God)." To traffic with it for a miserable price! So woe to them for what their hands do write, and woe to them for what they earn thereby!"
    Jesus As the Son of God

    Is Jesus the Son of God? Matthew 3:17 could be used by some Christians to support the divine Sonship of Jesus. If Matthew 3:17, "And Lo a voice for heaven, saying, this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased," is used to support divine Sonship, then there should be no other verse that contradicts or gives equal divine Sonship to another person or persons in the Old or New Testament. However, many references were found in the Old and New Testaments that mentioned someone other than Jesus as having a divine Sonship to God. See Exodus 4:22:
    "Israel is my son, even my firstborn." II Samuel 7:14 and I Chronicles 22:10: "...and he shall be my son (Solomon)." Jeremiah 31:9: "...and Ephraim is my firstborn." Also, Psalm 2:7.
    The word "Son" must not be accepted literally because God addresses many of his chosen servants as son and sons. The Jews have also claimed Ezra to be the Son of God. The New Testament Greek words used for "son" (pias and paida, which mean servant or son in the sense of servant) are translated as son in reference to Jesus and as servant in reference to others in some translations of the Bible.
    Further, the term "Father" as used by Jesus corresponds more closely to the term Rabb, i.e. One who nourishes and sustains, so that in Jesus’ doctrine, God is "Father" – Nourisher and Sustainer – of all men. The New Testament also interprets "son of God" to be mystical: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14). This mystical suggestion is further supported with Jesus being called the only begotten Son of God.
    In Psalm 2:7, the Lord said to David:
    "...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."
    Does this mean that God had two sons? Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your Father (Matthew 5:45, 48). Luke 3:38 says:
    "...Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God."
    Who is mentioned in Hebrews 7:3 as like unto the Son of God? It is Melchisedec, King of Salem, as mentioned in Hebrews 7:1. He (Melchisedec) is more unique than Jesus or Adam. Why is he not preferred to be the Son of God? Moreover, Adam did not have a mother or father, but was the first human being created by God and in the likeness of God to exist in the Garden of Eden and on earth. Wouldn’t this give more rights to Adam to be called the Son of God in its truest meaning?
    I would like to share with you an obvious contradiction between John 3:16, Luke 10:25-28 and Matthew 19:16-17. John 3:16 reads:
    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten, Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
    Now let’s read Luke 10:25-28:
    And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, what is written in the law? How readest Thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and Thou shalt live.
    These verses tell us that the inheritance of eternal life is for anyone who believes and worships no other God, but the One True God. Luke 10:25-28 agrees with Matthew 19:16-17 which says;
    "And behold, one came and said to him (Jesus), Good teacher, what good things shall I do that I may have eternal life? So he (Jesus) said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? – No one is good but One that is, God. But if you want to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments."
    There is no commandment that says to worship Jesus, but there that tells us to worship God alone.
    In Luke 4:41, Jesus refused to be called the Son of God by demons. Do you think that Jesus would rebuke the demons, or anyone else for that matter, for telling the truth? Unquestionably, no! Jesus rebuked the demons because they were saying something false by calling him the Son of God. Also, if the demons knew that Jesus was the Christ, for Jesus to shut them up because they called him the Christ is a contradiction to Jesus’ mission.
    In Luke 9:20 & 21, Jesus said unto his disciples:
    "But who say ye that I am? Peter answered saying, "The Christ of God, and Jesus straightly charged them and commanded them to tell no man that thing."
    Furthermore, verses like John 3:2, John 6:14, John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19 confirm that Jesus accepted the title of teacher, Prophet and called himself the son of man in Matthew 8:20, 12:40, 17:9 & 12, 26:24, Luke 9:26, 22:48, 22:69, and 24:7. The most conclusive verse that says Jesus is the son (servant) of man is Mark 14:26 where Jesus is mentioning the Day of Reckoning. Jesus specifically said we would see the son of man, not the Son of God, sitting in the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
    The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God’s nature. The Qur’an 19:35 says:

    "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is." (Maryam 19:35)
    The teachings of Jesus as the Son of God were not preached by Jesus nor accepted by Jesus, but were taught by Paul as supported in Acts 9:20:
    "And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God."
    Did Jesus ever claim to be God or say, "Here am I, your God, worship me"? The answer is no. For there is no single, unequivocal statement in the Bible whereby Jesus himself declares, "I am God, therefore worship me." Virtually all of the more than two thousand verses of the epistles of Paul are his own fabrications to include Romans 9:5 that says, depending upon which Bible you read:
    "...Christ came, who is overall, the eternally blessed God."
    Christians should know that Paul himself mentions his own gospel, not Jesus, in his epistle to the Romans when he says in Romans 2:16:
    "In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."
    In face, the Pauline epistle to the Romans serves as the foundation of today’s Christianity. Thus, it is the Christians whose efforts will be wasted in this life as they think they were acquiring good by their works when they attribute partners to God, as stated in Chapter 18:103-106 of the Qur’an:

    "Say: Shall we tell you of those who lost most in respect of their deeds? Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?" they are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell; because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.
    (Al-Kahf 18:103-106)
    Indeed, it is so strange and ironic, knowing that none of Paul’s epistle to the Romans, more than 430 verses, were ever formulated by Jesus. Paul should have made direct reference to the pristine teachings of Jesus, if only the former claim for apostleship by divine inspiration was indeed true. Instead, large parts of his epistles’ Biblical quotations (notably those in the Epistle to the Romans) were taken from the Old Testament – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Ezekiel and Hosea. His epistles were, indeed a product of tedious efforts, but that does not make Paul far better than any of the other men who authored the Bible, nor does it make him a Prophet.
    Other practices that were adopted under Paul included the following: the Roman sun-day as the Christian Sabbath; the traditional birthday of the Sun-god as the birthday of Jesus; the emblem of the sun-god (the cross of light) to be the emblem of Christians; and, the incorporation of all the ceremonies which were performed at the Sun-god’s birthday celebrations.
    As I come to a close concerning the position of Christ, I would like to ask my Christian reader bow down and pray earnestly to God and ask Him to invoke His curse on you, your wife, your sons, and your daughters if what you believe about Christ (Christ is God, Son of God or part of a trinity of God) are false. Likewise, I have learned that if you asked a Muslim to earnestly pray to God to invoke His curse on him, his wife, his sons, and his daughters if what he is saying about Christ (Prophet, Messenger of God, A Word from God) are false, the Muslims are firm in their faith knowing that Christ is not God, nor the Son of God and nor part of a trinity of God. This exercise of asking God to invoke His curse on you and your family may sound a bit cruel, but it would prove two points: (1) you would know that you are on the wrong path; and, (2) it would put you on the right path.
    The Crucifixion and Atonement

    A very significant event in the Christian doctrine is the Crucifixion of Jesus. Before talking about the many controversies surrounding the Crucifixion, it should be mentioned that it was a gospel of Paul’s which professed the Crucifixion/Resurrection of Jesus (II Timothy 2:8):
    "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel."
    In addition, the gospel of the resurrection in Mark 16:9-20 was already removed from the text by gospel writers in the 1952 edition of the Revised Standard Version and then, for some reasons, restored in the 1971 edition. In many Bibles, if not removed, it is printed in small print or between two brackets and with commentary (See the Revised Standard Version, New American Bible and New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures).
    The traditional biblical account of Jesus’ Crucifixion is that he was arrested and crucified by the orders and plans of the chief priest and Jewish elders. This account was denied in the 1960’s by the highest Catholic Christian authority, the Pope. He issued a statement in which he said the Jews had nothing to do with Jesus’ Crucifixion.
    Did any one of the disciples or the writers of the Gospel see the Crucifixion or the Resurrection? No! In Mark 14:50, it says the disciples forsook Jesus and fled. Even Peter forsook Jesus after the cock crowed three times as Jesus foretold:
    (Matthew 26:75) And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
    The most likely persons whom may have witnessed this moment in Jesus’ life were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, the mother of Zebedee’s children and other women (Matthew 27:55-56). However, there is no statement or account in the Gospels from those women as to what they saw or heard.
    The disciple(s) found the sepulchre where Jesus was laid down, empty, and made the conclusion that he was resurrected because the disciples and other witnesses saw him alive after the alleged Crucifixion. Nobody saw the moment he was resurrected. Jesus himself stated that he did not die on the cross in Luke 24:36-41, as explained in the following paragraphs.
    Early Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre, which was empty. She saw somebody standing who looked like a gardener. She recognized him after a conversation to be Jesus and wanted to touch him. Jesus said (John 20:17):
    "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father..."
    Now read Luke 24:36-41:
    "And as they (disciples) thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are you troubled? And why so thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me end see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of boiled fish and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."
    Does a spiritual or dead body have a need to eat food? Jesus eating of food was to prove to the disciples that he was not a spirit, but rather, he was still alive and not dead.
    Jesus being alive and not dead is further supported in his own prophecy (Matthew 12:40):
    "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
    Did Jesus fulfill this miracle? Christians would say "yes," because Jesus died and rose three days later according to Luke 24:36 and Matthew 20:19, to name a few verses. However, in line with the miracle of Jonah and according to the Bible, Jesus only spent one day and two nights in the sepulchre, and not three days and three nights as he prophesied.
    Jesus was put in the sepulchre just before sunset on Friday (Good Friday) and was found missing before sunrise on Sunday (Easter). If we were to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the time frame a bit, one may say that Jesus spent three days in the earth, but there is no way and I repeat, no way, that Jesus spent three nights in the earth. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.
    Consequently, there are some inconsistencies as to whether Jesus fulfilled his own prophecy. Whether he was actually crucified, or if the day (Good Friday) of his alleged Crucifixion is wrong. Another significant point to mention is that Jonah was alive in the belly of the whale. The Christians says, Jesus was dead in the belly of the earth/tomb, and this contradicts Jesus’ own prophecy. Jesus said (Luke 11:30):
    "As Jonah was...so shall the Son of man be."
    If Jonah was alive, so was Jesus.
    One critical event that took place before the alleged Crucifixion was the prayer of Jesus to God for help. Luke 22:42:
    "Saying Father if thou be willing, remove this cup (of death) from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine be done."
    Jesus’ prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God according to Luke 22:43 and Hebrews 5:7. Therefore, if all of Jesus’ prayer were accepted by God, including not to die on the cross, how could he have died on the cross?
    In Matthew 27:46, it states that while Jesus was on the cross, he said:
    "Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani (My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?).
    If Jesus said these words, it represents a blatant declaration of disbelief according to all theological authorities. This is a great insult as such words could only come from an unbeliever in God. Further, it is incredible that such words should come from a Prophet of God, because God never breaks His promise and His Prophets never complained against His promise, especially when the Prophet’s mission is understood. It could be said that whoever relates that this statement was said by a Prophet (Jesus), is a disbeliever.
    Muslims believe, as the Qur’an states, Jesus was not crucified. It was the intention of his enemies to put him to death on the cross, but Allah saved him from their plot. Qur’an 4:157:
    "That they (Jews) said boasting, "We killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah, but they (Jews) killed him not, nor crucified him..."
    (An Nisa 4:157)
    The Resurrection
    Before discussing the resurrection, it should be mentioned that the holiday of Easter, the supposedly day of Jesus' reurrection was originally a pagan festival honoring Eostre, a Teutonic (Germanic) goddess of light and spring. At the time of the vernal equinox (the day in the spring when the sun crosses the equator and day and night are of equal length), sacrifices were offered in her honor. As early as the eight century, the name 'Easter' was used to designate the annual celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. Again, the Christians have taken the ignorance of paganism and associated it with Jesus.

    So where do Christians get the belief of resurrection from ?They got it from the teachings of Paul (Acts 17:18). Paul, who said he was an appointed apostle by Jesus according to his own vision. He never saw Jesus, declared Jesus as the Son of God (Acts 9:20) and admitted that the resurrection was his gospel (II Timothy 2:8). So Christianity in its present belief that the crucifixion/resurrection is necessary for the redemption of sin is not a teaching of Jesus. The sins of people were being forgiven before the alleged crucifixion or resurrection as shown in Mark 2:5:
    And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, 'my son, your sins are forgiven' and Luke 7:48: and he said unto her, 'thy sins are forgiven'

    Further, knowing that Jesus forgave sins before the crucifixion or resurrection contradicts the belief that the blood of Jesus as washing away sins. For according to Deuteronomy 24:16:
    'the father shall not be put to death for the children, nor shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for their own sins.'

    This belief of present day Christians is of Paul's. Paul justified his doctrine with the use of Romans 7:1-4:
    'know ye not, brethren, (for i speak to them that know the law) how that law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? for the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. so then; if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but, if her husband be dead, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God'

    the above mentioned verses clearly show that Paul made a distinction between Jesus and Christ. According to his reasoning, the law which had bound Jesus and his followers was no longer necessary since Jesus had died. Now they were no longer 'married' to Jesus but to Christ, who had brought another law in a direct revelation to him (paul). It was therefore, necessary to follow Christ and not Jesus. Thus, anyone who held Jesus' teaching had gone astray. It was the use of this reasoning that Paul assembled his doctrine of redemption and atonement. Jesus never taught this theory. It was a great success, since, in so many words; it preached that a man could do what he wanted and not face the inevitable consequences of his actions, provided that, at the end of the day, he said: 'i believe in Christ'. however, the basic premise on which Paul's reasoning was based is false, since Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected. His doctrines of redemption and atonement are fallacious.
    Do you know the doctrine of atonement was accepted three to four centuries after Jesus left the earth? Read Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30 and Ezekiel 18:20 and you will see that this doctrine of atonement contradicts the old testament/law:

    Deut 24:16
    'the fathers shall not be put to death for their children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin'
    Jeremiah 31:30
    '......everyone shall die for his own iniquity;'

    Ezekiel 18:20
    'a child shall not suffer for the iniquity of a parent, not a parent suffer for the iniquity of a child; the righteousness of the righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be his own'
    Now read Mathew 7:1 & 2 and 1 Corinthians 3:8. There is no reason for atonement of 'original sin' for Mathew 19:14 clearly states that children (everybody at one time) belong to the Kingdom of Heaven. this notion of 'belonging to the kingdom of heaven is in line with the Islamic belief that:
    'every newborn child is born in complete submission to Allah (as a Muslim). then his parents change him/her into Judaism, Christianity or Magianism'

    Further Jesus states in Mark 11:25-26 and Luke 11:1-4 that trespasses (sins) are forgiven by God. So there is no reason for Jesus' atonement of sins.

    Mark 11:25-26
    'and when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. but if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses'

    Luke 11:1-4

    'and it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, lord, teach us to pray, as john also taught his disciples. And he said unto them, ‘when ye pray, say, our father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil’

    Once again, Jesus came not to destroy the law. It was Paul who abolished the [Mosaic} law. Read Acts 13:39:
    ‘And by him that believes are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses’
    The ‘authority’ that Paul amassed allowed him to claim that the blessings of the Gospel were not limited to the Jews, but to all who believed. This also is an absolute contradiction to the mission, purpose and teachings of Jesus. Jesus’ true message was the law. The same law that guided Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah and all other prophets, to include the prophet of Islam – Mohammed, who is prophesied in the Bible as mentioned in the Quran.

    MOHAMMED IN THE BIBLE

    The prophecies of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) can be found in the Old and New testaments as mentioned in the Holy Quran (7:157):

    ‘those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own, in the Law (Torah) and the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good and prohibits them from what is bad; he releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him, it is they who will prosper’

    I will reference and support two prophecies in the Bible that apply to none except Prophet Mohammed
    1. Old Testament – this prophecy which was addressed to Moses said that God will send among the ‘brethren’ of the Israelites a prophet like Moses who will be a founder, a leader and an exemplar of a community of believers. Read Deuteronomy 18:18-20:

    ‘I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to My words which he shall speak in My name, I myself will require it of him’

    Christians will surely say that this prophecy is referring to Jesus. No, it was Prophet Mohammed, not Jesus, who like Moses was born from ordinary parents, got married, founded a faithful community, established a great law and died a natural death. The brethren of the Israelites (descendants of Abraham through Isaac) are Ishmaelites (descendants of Abraham through Ishmael). Jesus is excluded from this prophecy because he is an Israelite; otherwise the verse would read, ‘a Prophet from among themselves’



    2. Now the prophecy in the new testament that refers to Prophet Mohammed, read John 14:16:
    ‘and I will pray to the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever’
    this verse clearly states that another, a different one, an additional one, but of the same kind, yet distinctly different from the first would be sent based on the prayer of Jesus. The million dollar question is, who is the first Comforter?

    The Christian world would unanimously say that this Comforter (or Helper, which is now being added) is the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, depending upon which Bible you read, and is only supported by John 14:26 which says:
    ‘but the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name …’

    However John 14:26 and John 14:16 contradict each other; in that, if 14:16 says another Comforter would be sent, then 14:26 is saying that the other one to be sent is the Holy Spirit/Ghost. This would mean that a total of two Holy Spirits/Ghosts would have been sent. The usage of the word another in John 14:16 means that one already existed.

    Concerning another Holy Ghost to be sent, some Christians would defend this by saying the Holy Ghost was not on earth yet. Well, there are numerous instances in the Bible about the coming and going of the Holy Ghost before the birth and departure of the Messiah: Luke 1:15 (John the Baptist), Luke 1:41 (Elizabeth), Luke 1:67 (Zachariah), Luke 2:26 (Simeon), Luke 3:22 (Jesus)
    The holy ghost was helping Jesus in his ministry and helping his disciples on their missions of preaching and healing. If there is still any doubt about the workings of the holy ghost, then please read John 20:21-22:
    ‘….as my Father hath sent me even so I send you, And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, receive ye the Holy Ghost’

    Remember at this time Jesus had not departed the earth yet. So in order for the Comforter to come, Jesus said he would have to go away as stated in John 16:7:

    ‘nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you; But if I depart, I will send him to you’

    Moreover, John 14:26 contradict other explicit predictions of Jesus on the subject of the Comforter. Note, there are no other verses in the Bible, other than John 14:26, where it is mentioned that Jesus called the Holy Spirit/Ghost ‘he’. In all other verses of the Bible, the Holy Spirit/Ghost is called or identified as simple the Holy Spirit/Ghost. If we read John 14:26 carefully, we can see that by interesting the words ‘which is the holy ghost’, the writer is leading the reader to a conclusion. The same is done in John 14:22 by inserting the comment ‘not Iscariot’

    Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, ‘Lord, how is that thou will……..the world’

    To further support that the word ‘Comforter’ is not referring to the Holy Ghost, did you know that the word ‘comforter’ is the English translation of the greek word ‘periclytos’ which is almost a literal translation of the Aramaic or Hebrew word ‘Mauhamana’ used by Jesus himself, and which correlates with the name Mohammed, the last Prophet to come before the second coming of Jesus? Also in new testament greek version, the word ‘spirit’ has also been applied to an inspired person, ‘the possessor of a spiritual communication’ or revelation. The one who becomes overwhelmed with a divine revelation is himself termed a ‘spirit’

    Other verses that mentions the Comforter are John 15:26:
    ‘but when the Comforter comes, who I will send to you from the Father, the spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, he will testify of me’

    Now John 16:12-14 which is the most comprehensive picture of Prophet Mohammed and Islam:
    ‘I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when he, the spirit of truth (the Comforter) comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his authority, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will tell you things to come. He will glorify me for he will take what is mine and declare it to you’

    These characteristics of the Comforter are applicable only to Prophet Mohammed, as the following observations will show:
    1. The Quran mentions the name Jesus twenty more times than the name of Prophet Mohammed. The Jews called Jesus an impostor and accused his mother or immorality. They even tried to crucify him. Prophet Mohammed considered Jesus as a great Prophet, and the Quran attribute to Jesus a miracle that is not mentioned in the Bible. The miracle occurred when Jesus spoke as a baby from the cradle. However, if you view the Jesus of Nazareth story that is shown during the Christmas and Easter holidays, you will hear this miracle mentioned in the story. Where did they get this miracle from? This miracle is only mentioned in the Quran when Mary’s chastity was questioned:
    ‘but she (Mary) pointed to the babe. They said, ‘how can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle? He (baby jesus) said, ‘I am indeed a servant of God; he hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; and he hath made me blessed wheresoever I be; and hath enjoined on me prayer and zakat as long as I live; (He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest; so peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised upto life (again)’ Quran – 19:29-33
    and in Islam, Mary the mother of Jesus is considered the most chaste woman and the best of all women in paradise. Thus did Mohammed really glorify Jesus. In addition, there is even a chapter (sura) in the Quran named after Mary (Maryam), and her name mentioned 14 more times in the Quran than in the Bible (32/18)

    2. The Quran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed through the angel Gabriel. When the angel Gabriel finished reciting parts of the Quran, Prophet Mohammed used to convey verbatim to his companions what he heard from the angel without adding, changing or forgetting anything. (Note : the angel Gabriel visited Prophet Mohammed once a year during the holy month of Ramadan (fasting), and twice during the last year of his life to confirm the text of the Quran). The Quran also describes Prophet Mohammed by saying:
    ‘nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him’ Quran 53:3-4
    if we compare verses 53:3-4 of the Quran with John 16:13: ‘he will not speak on his own authority’ you will see the similarity between this characteristic of the Comforter and that of Prophet Mohammed

    3. Prophet Mohammed was the only messenger that came after Jesus. There was a period of six centuries between them. Jesus’ mission was limited to the ‘lost sheep of the children of Israel’, but Mohammed’s message was a universal message for all people (Gentiles and Samaritans included) only Prophet Mohammed’s message was intended by God to be a universal and an everlasting message.

    CONCLUSION
    My Christian brothers and sisters, given the information contained in this booklet, I hope you have begun to realize that the pillars of present day Christianity; Jesus is the son of God’ the Trinity and Jesus died on the cross for our sins, are all built on a weak, suspect and doubtful foundation. A foundation that is built upon following elements:
    1. present gospels were ratified by a murderer three hundred years after Jesus left earth
    2. three hundred gospels were destroyed
    3. the words, ‘son of God’, only begotten of the Father’, ratified by a murderer
    4. the word ‘Gospel’ was added to the titles of the writings. According to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John
    5. the Gospels written 60-100 A.D
    6. Gospels’ written in the third person
    7. Verses (Trinity doctrine) removed from the Bible and then put back
    8. Trinity accepted three centuries after Jesus left earth
    9. A pagan first mentioned the word Christian
    10. Present Christian holidays taken from pagan rituals
    11. Mistranslation and injection of words to deceive reader
    12. No disciple or gospel writer actually saw Jesus die on the cross
    13. present day Christianity is from man-made doctrines

    it would be illogical to accept any one of the pillars of Christianity as having validity considering its very origin and foundation. The bible tells us of the consequences that a man will incur if he builds his house without a foundation; total destruction. This man-made foundation that the present-day Christianity is built upon should lead you, if it’s not too late, to continue to search for the way of life that is most acceptable to our Creator. A way of life that will provide you success in this world, and in the Hereafter, and save you from the torment of Hell Fire

    before closing, let me add a very serious comment; from this day forward you cannot say you never heard the message of Islam, Prophet Mohammed, or what the Quran says about associating partners with Allah. For you will be questioned on the Day of Judgement as to why you did not heed the religion of Islam
    please read and think about this verse of the Quran 18:110 that Prophet Mohammed was told by the Angel Gabriel to tell all mankind:

    Say ‘I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is one God; whoever expects to meet his Lord; let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as (His) partner’
     
  2. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    .......too long....no thanks....
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    The problem with this appears to be that he never actually read the Bible. The Bible is filled with information about how to pray and Jesus himself is the example to follow in fulfilling 1 Thessalonians 5:17 and no further instruction is necessary.

    Also Allah is not the God of the Bible, so any information on how to pray to Allah is not information on how to pray to the God of the Bible.
     
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    Yeah man a little bit tl;dr there.
     
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    First, Jesus was more than just a Prophet, he was also the promised messiah and the Son of God.

    Jesus did teach that all Praise and Worship should go to The One God but that God is not Allah, it is the God of the Bible whose name alone is Jehovah.
    At 1 Peter 4:16, Peter says; “But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.” So are you saying that Peter who walked with Jesus as one of his disciples, from the very beginning, didn’t know what he was saying when he used the word Christian?
    I’ve yet to see any convincing proof that the Quran is the word of God, so aren’t those who are following Quran really following the “commandments of men”?
    Just because the Quran paraphrases the Bible does not mean that the Bible in any way supports the Quran.
    To be Christ-like is to be like him in spirit and truth and not in some ape like mimicry.
     
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    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    you know it really upsets me when people say that since the quran qoutes jesus there for the bible is the same religion when in reality the bible never quotes any prophet from the quran... so who copying who here...
     
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    the Koran was written 700 years after jesus was gone..

    The Koran itself calls the gospel of jesus "Guidance and Light"
    The biggest threat to Islam is without a doubt the teachings of the true "Prophet of Peace" Jesus Christ. Islamic leaders go to extraordinary means to hide the gospel of Jesus from muslims.. ​
     
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    what's the meaning of Messiah, and where are you picking the meaning from?

    son of God?! allow me to quote a few verses from the Quran ..

    Al-E-Imran
    (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Īsā (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Īsā (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allâh." (45)
    Al-Baqara
    We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not ye, are puffed up with pride? ―Some ye called impostors and others ye slay! (87)

    Al-Maeda


    Then will Allah say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary! recount my favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: `This is nothing but evident magic'. (110)



    Al-Isra


    Glorified and High is He! From High above (the great falsehood) that they say! (i.e.forged statements that there are other gods along with Allâh, but He is Allâh, the One, the Self-Sufficient Master, whom all creatures need. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none comparable or coequal unto Him). (43)





    Al-E-Imran
    This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was. (59)


    ,.......i could go on with more such verses, but if you don't want to believe ..you won't. i do hope you do take some time to read the Quran (you'll probably claim you've already done so ..anyway!)


    what does Allah mean ? and what's the meaning of Jehovah ?

    and if Jesus taught that all praise and worship should go to the One God - why has Jesus been glorified so much, so that you call yourself Christians and not Jehovians ? the One God is Unseen, yet you have paintings or sculptures of 'Jesus' to kneel down before him and not to the One God !

    you've probably missed out 1 Peter 4:16 has also been quoted down here, fact is it was mentioned long after Jesus left

    course you need convincing proof ..just like everyone before us needed convincing proof that each of the Prophet's were messengers of the Creator. Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc etc etc etc, Jesus, Mohammed (peace be upon them all)

    how about this verse?

    Hud
    Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad SAW) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged Sûrahs (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allâh (to your help), if you speak the truth!" (13)



    im really inviting objective comments to what's been mentioned by the writer whom i've quoted

    jmt does the Bible mention Prophet's before Jesus ? that are mentioned in the Torah

    orison the Gospel was Guidance and Light [before too many versions started being written by men], Torah was Guidance and Light ..and the (Word) message that has been spoken (inspired by the Creator) by each of the Prophets was Guidance and Light, similar to the Quran that was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
     
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    I believe its 300 year after christ...
     
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    hey stoney 69 can you give me a link to the english Quran I been really wanting to read the Quran...
     
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    Muhammad died in 632
     
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    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    you know the torah and the bible are the same book right? :D
     
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    it's not, but its been made a part of the Bible (in anycase, the message in both revelations [before they were written, re-written over and over and over and over by men] and Quran is the same)

    here's a link as requested, http://www.quranexplorer.com/Default.aspx

    peace and guidance
     
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    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    torah is a fancy way of saying old testament... or the other way around....;)
     
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    in actual fact, there's nothing supposedly 'new' ..as the last of them was revealed 14 centuries before you and i - unless it is always worked upon to keep it new ;)

    Torah was revelead to Moses, Injeel (Gospel) to Jesus and are centuries apart. why's there no Moses in the word Christian ?
     
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    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I believe moses was a not messiah/sonl ike jesus was....but more of the most really well trusted man Yawyeh can count on...At least how i see Moses. Were as to Jesus is God and came to save its people and as the bible states about Jesus its the word and the word was God........Moses really is decent from God like Jesus so that why i feel were called christians...... also Moses followed Judaism not Mosism :D.
     
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    From the Hebrew root verb ma·shach′, meaning “smear,” and so “anoint.” (Ex 29:2, 7) Messiah (ma·shi′ach) means “anointed” or “anointed one.” The Greek equivalent is Khri·stos′, or Christ.

    Allow me to quote a few verses from the Bible....

    (Mark 3:11-12) 11 Even the unclean spirits, whenever they would behold him, would prostrate themselves before him and cry out, saying: “You are the Son of God.” 12 But many times he sternly charged them not to make him known.

    (Luke 4:41) 41 Demons also would come out of many, crying out and saying: “You are the Son of God.” But, rebuking them, he would not permit them to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ.

    (John 1:32-34) 32 John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him. 33 Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.’ 34 And I have seen [it], and I have borne witness that this one is the Son of God.”

    (John 3:16-18) 16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

    (John 5:19-24) 19 Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that YOU may marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to. 22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, 23 in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. 24 Most truly I say to YOU, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.

    (John 5:25-26) 25 “Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.

    (John 11:4) 4 But when Jesus heard it he said: “This sickness is not with death as its object, but is for the glory of God, in order that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”

    (John 11:25-27) 25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him: “Yes, Lord; I have believed that you are the Christ the Son of God, the One coming into the world.”

    (John 20:30-31) 30 To be sure, Jesus performed many other signs also before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll. 31 But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.


    ,.......i could go on with more such verses, but if you don't want to believe ..you won't. i do hope you do take some time to read the Bible (you'll probably claim you've already done so ..anyway!)



    Allah means God. Whereas Jehovah is the English version of the Tetragrammaton, the proper name of God. It is the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb ha·wah′ (become); meaning “He Causes to Become”
    (Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

    Well Jehovah, himself gave Jesus glory for what he had done. (Acts 3:13) 13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom YOU, for YOUR part, delivered up and disowned before Pilate’s face, when he had decided to release him.

    As for, "You call yourself Christians and not Jehovians" there are those that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Jesus is not God and I do not kneel before pictures of him.

    I did not miss it, I merely re-quoted it because it doesn't say what you think it says.

    And it doesn't matter how long after Jesus died it is written because All Scripture is inspired of God.

    Yes, all but Mohammed were prophets of Jehovah but Jesus was also the Son of God and the promised Messiah.

    What about it?
     
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    Actually Christ is not the last name of Jesus, it merely means anointed and Moses also was anointed by God. ;)
     
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    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    do you have any recommendations on what book I should start on? besides the first one?
     
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    so Christian=anointedians, that'd mean the Jews are Christians too ..



    even (who else) the unclean spirits, meaning Demons ? surely that's not a word from Jehovah or Jesus!​

    word of Demons ? not of Jehovah or Jesus. and who are Demons ? 'evil spirits' ?​



    according to Mark, Mathew, John ..actually not according to them, but the authors who authored after Jesus and all the according to's quoted left earth. and then, the translated into translated into translated with the original text no longer in existence​


    i would love to read the Bible in its original form, can you direct me to it ?


    you'd need to warn the arab (Christians) as they call Jehovah/Tetragrammaton Allah

    so why is the Most High having two partners ? that are prayed to

    so when did the Son become a Servant ?

    indeed, Allah has glorified Jesus and his mother Mary in the Quran


    but when you take the name of the Almighty, Most High ..it is not complete unless you take Jesus' name and the Holy Spirit's

    when was the first and last Scriptures inspired by God written ?

    and Adam?

    you need convincing proof about the Quran being the Word of God, but wouldn't quote a contradiction within the verses/chapters. Or the challenge by Allah for those who believe it to be the writings of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to produce 10 such chapters with all the help in the world ...perhaps spanning a few generations too
     
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