Liberal/conservative. Democrat/Republican. Left-wing/right-wing. Did you ever consider that maybe all these terms and labels do nothing other than keep us divided as a nation and unfocused on the big picture? Did you ever consider this is what the neo-cons and the elitists want? Did you ever consider that the wool is being pulled over your eyes and you don't even know it? I am sorry, but a large percentage of you seem to see things in terms of what the mainstream media presents, and only the mainstream media. Have any of you (and I know there are a few in these forums) considered that there is a lot that goes on which we never see or hear about on the 6:30 world news? I don't think most people realize this. To most people, politics are whatever CNN or FOX News dictates to them. People don't know what goes on within the government, besides what they see on the news and read in the paper. And to think that's all that goes on is just naive. The news doesn't cover the rampant corruption that plagues BOTH corporate-ruled parties, which is the Democrat and Republican parties. People are so conditioned into this compliant way of thinking by the media and society's collective consciousness, that they never even question what their government's true motives really are. It occurs outside of their five senses. I am a bit fed up right now because I had somebody in one of the other forums tell me that I'm the only one who cares about the "Skull & Bones" issue. Evidently, people like this cannot gather up enough brain cells to even consider the fact that this same secret, elite society are the ones who have Kerry and Bush running against each other in this so-called election (face it, people, there is no election). And many of Bush and Kerry's Skull & Bones brothers are some of the richest and most powerful men in the world. No matter who wins in November, they will be serving the same people, which is not you and me. People like George Bush and John Kerry do not represent America. They don't care about you. They're both probably laughing at all of you! When will you people realize that our government serves only the few rich and powerful, and the corporations that OWN this country? Why do so many of you buy into the sheep mentality of having a BIG government control us and run our lives? Why do so many of you want Orwell's vision of a totalitarian government to become a reality? (it's already becoming a reality) Again, as my chorus line reads: Democrats and Republicans are the same, they're just trying to sell people on different issues. These issues are just a smoke screen for what is really going on behind closed-doors, which is a move towards a one-world government. And this is nothing new. It's been going on for a long, long time. The imperialism we see occuring in the Middle East right now is only part of it. I have a feeling that most of you won't wake up and open your eyes until you're drafted and sent off to die for these war-mongering pigs. It kind of sickens me how many of you people don't care - or even know for that matter - that there is a power-elite that is controlling things on a much higher level. They control the elections, wars, the economy.... Everything! Most of you don't even know this because the media never talks about it, and most people are too lazy and apathetic to pick up a book or look deeper into these issues. So keep on being a mindless drone. Go watch Joan of Arcadia. Be a typical American idiot. All I really know is that people like John Kerry and George Bush are nothing but puppets put into power by wealthy, powerful men (they're often referred to as globalists). I don't care who you vote for in this upcoming election, as long as you come to terms with these simple facts. There is something that is a threat to liberals, moderates and conservatives alike in this country, and that's government corruption. In the end, we're all victims of the government, regardless of where we stand.
Did you ever consider that maybe all these terms and labels do nothing other than keep us divided as a nation and unfocused on the big picture? Yes, I do consider this all the time. Theres "Liberals" Following Kerry Just because he is a democrat, and even MORE "conservatives" and Republicans following Bush because he is a "Convservative". People are Pro-Choice JUST because they are Democrats, and people are Pro-Life just because they are "Republicans". It's ridiculous, people can't even think for themselves anymore, they just believe what their party believes because it's easier that way... Did you ever consider this is what the neo-cons and the elitists want? All the time... Did you ever consider that the wool is being pulled over your eyes and you don't even know it? Yeah...Everybody is all up in arms about the Iraq war, which NEEDS to be confronted, but in the middle of this whole Liberal and Republican fight over the war in Iraq, people have forgotten about the economy, they have forgotten about the deficit, they have forgotten about the patriot act and the unfair Homeland Security bullshit. People have forgotten that, although there are places in Iraq here you can't go without worrying about suicide bombers, and terrorist attacks, there are places right here in America, where you can't go without worrying about getting robbed and shot, or being an innocent victim in a driveby shooting, or store robbery, People have forgetten that Muslim, Middle Eastern countries aren't the only dangerous countries. AMerica tries to act like it is perfect because it's sooo rich, but there is so much poverty and hunger in our country, and so many Dangerous places where you can't walk down the street without worry of getting raped and killed, and we are trying to go to Iraq? and fix their problems before we fixed ours? Sounds a bit skewed to me... I am sorry, but a large percentage of you seem to see things in terms of what the mainstream media presents, and only the mainstream media. Preach brotha Preach! Have any of you (and I know there are a few in these forums) considered that there is a lot that goes on which we never see or hear about on the 6:30 world news? I think about it endlessly... I don't think most people realize this. To most people, politics are whatever CNN or FOX News dictates to them. People don't know what goes on within the government, besides what they see on the news and read in the paper. And to think that's all that goes on is just naive. Yes, and because of all the years of this branwashing, people like me are labeled "conspiracy theorists" and not listened to. Peace and Love, Dan
The question is, what are we supposed to do about this situation? They've (the elite powers-that-be) got us pretty throughly fucked. It's as if "1984" is their sacred protocol for running America. They provide us with a president so bad in order to spawn an "anybody but <insert current President here>" type scenario, and follow-up with an "alternative" candidate that is only portrayed as such. Then they condition us to believe in a "two-party" system through mass media saturation. Remember months before the Democratic Convention, all of the news reports were "Bush vs. Kerry." I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans weren't even aware of the names of the other Democrats at that point. However, part of the blame for this "sheepitis" endemic belongs to the school system, which IMO helps create a willfully ignorant youth.
this country was created by the elites, for the elites, and run by the elites all elites were created equal
we've got no power we've got no funds and the mojority of americans are satisified w/self delusion how the hell do we change anything? trying to use force will bring hell on our heads and non violent tactics are getting us shoved into "authorized protest zones"
People could stop relying on their governments and system infrastructure and go back to nature. People could stop voting, thus removing the mandate for power. People could embrace a wholly different way of living, one based on positivity and creative energy expressed through each individual action, while working towards a ecologically sound part agricultural/part cottage industry commerce setup, with the population sharing in different aspects of society or not as they choose. With this, cannabis and hemp could be relegalised and utilised as wonderous products. People could essentially wake up and realise that if you physically move or damage something, it's power and authority presence can go. Like a building. Or a plane. Please? not promoting violence or anything (except as part of pre-approved exercise :sunglasse) but sometimes I wonder why terrorists (or culturally bonded national warriors, in that they are not representing their state but their culture and society) don't blow more legitamate targets up, it seems thats what the Crusaders seem to be interested in...legitamacy As i'm in the mindset that the alternative community is stirred up by wall-builders of oppression and distrust, and monitered throughout, and subjected to the same insidious controls that can be made available, I'd also suggest a degradation in the numbers and use of house-hold electronic equipment. It disrupts something called the Schumann Resonance.
people could, but people will not. people would much rather someone else take care of. just look at whats happening to the environment, people could reduce reuse and recycle, but they wont. if they cant even throw their pop cans into the recycling bin do you really think they are going to take time to re-evalute society?
Did you ever consider that it is you that has the either/or mentality? That if people only think in terms of ‘them or us’ that mentality will continue? There are many varieties of lefties and righties on the boards with many shades of left and right viewpoints go out and talk don’t place them as one or another, but as part of many groups that can often overlap.
Rat, your posts keep getting better. Everything you said here is so absolutely true. What is happening not just to the US, but to HUMANITY, is absolutely horrifying. My husband and I were just discussing this a couple days ago - how controlled everything has become, and how powerless we are feeling. I mean, you've got a population that is given substandard education, food that very literally does not nourish the body nor provide the nutrients necessary for clear thought and balanced emotional state (and in many cases is actually toxic), entertainment that does not enlighten, educate or enrich in any way whatsoever, ecosystems that poison, value systems that teach greed, selfishness, mindless lust, and extreme self-indulgence, and "news" which might as well be government-sponsored. I keep saying, what is most terrifying to me is how BLATANT, how obvious, how incredibly transparent the ruling elite have become in their filthy behavior, and how BLIND the masses remain to it. During the protesting leading up to the current Iraq invasion/occupation, I became more hopeful than I've been in my entire life. I felt like a wave of consciousness was sweeping the nation and the world - I felt like we, as a people, had this one last shot at human power. The world knew it was wrong!! THE WHOLE WORLD!! Watching this planet come together in protests that were unprecedented - worldwide objection that had NEVER happened before - I believed in my heart, for a short moment, that we would actually defeat the elite and stop this war. But I knew all along that if we didn't, events would be set in motion that would give the ruling elite the power to rule this planet with an iron fist for the forseeable future. This was the point of "no turning back." We could either rise up and stop them or we would fail and humanity would permanently turn a dark corner into a world where ANY behavior is justified (so long as it comes from the elite), where ANY treatment of human beings is accepted by the world (so long as it comes from the elite), where the distorted American vision of reality would crush the beautiful tapestry of cultural diversity on this planet under a boot of consumerism, mindless work, loss of independence and self-sustainability, and endless "war" against any who refuse to comply. So. We are brought to this point. And as some others here have said, and as I've said already, I'm at a loss. I don't believe anymore that we can stop them. I will keep writing here - I will keep living my own life in absolute defiance and objection to the ruling elite - without their television, without their fast food, without their mind-numbing "music", without allowing their "education" system to teach my children - I will teach my children to reject their value system as sick, spiritually dead, morally objectional, and ecologically unsound. But I know I am also setting them up for a life full of frustration, of unrealized dreams of peace and spiritual brotherhood, of rage against the neverending, blatant injustice that they will witness during their lives, and of being called "insane," "antiamerican," "hateful," and possibly even "terrorists." I don't know what else to do now. I won't be protesting the RNC, because we - as so-called "progressives" really have no alternative to Bush. I'm not interested in those who tout Kerry as the "lesser evil." It's just pathetic to even see people reduced to this - begging for crumbs from a multi-millionaire warmongering liar like Kerry in their desperation to be free of Bush. It's just too obvious. WHY DO YOU THINK KERRY IS BEING PERMITTED TO RUN AGAINST BUSH??? Do you think the PEOPLE chose him? He's the PEOPLE'S candidate? Who do you think SELECTED Kerry? Where did Kerry COME FROM?
The sad thing about that is this: Most Americans won't care WHAT happens as long as they can still drive their SUVs and watch cable TV. That really is ALL that many people care about. And may I say... that was a VERY well written post you made!
i have to aggree that parisanism is a devide and conquer stratigy of people who have no one's best intrests in mind but only their own immediate and transitory gratification but not that they are a monolithic block harmoniously cooperative within and amongst themselves. even old time hard liners are finding themselves shut out and not remaining quiet about it. though of course the corporate controlled media gives this little airplay. voting is one way of finding out if votes are counted and i think we need that. but more then that we need to think about what each and every thing we take for granted supports and opposes because lives are on the line as a resault of that and while those lives may be half way arround the world today there is NOTHING to keep them form being yours and mine tommarow. and not just some far off tomarow of a generation or a decade from now but within the very immediate next few years, if not months or even days. it is wrong though to assume that nothing can be chainged by removing from power the captains of corruption, even if their public leader is more of a figure head then the seat of the real power he represents. the removal of donald rumsfield primarilty, along with dick cheney, ken ley, carl rove and john ashcroft, is not insignifigant. or rather the failure to do so is one for which we are already paying a sever if as yet well hidden price. we cannot of course affort to rest all or even most of our hopes on a vote that might not even be counted, or counted accurately and honestly. nor can we dismiss our shaired responsibility for the kind of incentives our own priorities create, both individualy and collectively. and it is in this last that the foundation of all political power lies. if power flows from the barrel of a gun well guns don't manufacture themselves out of thin air nor do kings and dictators we don't need suv's or fox/cnn/ganet infotainment but we do need food, shelter, and air we can breathe and water we can drink without getting sick from it. none of these things we need, or even those which make life worth living require hierarchy. those infrastructures that are useful and rewarding do depend on a degree of social coordination, but again THAT does not require standing hierarchies either. nor is it not possible to generate sufficient electicty witout burning coal or oil nor to have and enjoy the bennifits of mechanical transportation without doing so, nor to live in comfortable homes without clear cutting forrests nor is it neccessary to destroy the last remaining habitats of endangered species to do so but we do need to wake up and stop putting arbitrary assumptions and our emotional attatchments to them ahead of the real effects of real policies on real people, places and things, and i don't just mean policies made by illuminated power elete in their soverign bat caves, but our own as individuals and communities. and there are sources of real information not controled by corporate media. though if we don't support them we can't count on their always being there. i would mention two, listner supported community radio, several of which have listen live websites, alternative voices in sydication such as amy goodman's democracy now, and this internet. =^^= .../\...
Yep, but who's going to do that? Not even many people in these forums seem to live that type of life. I live simply, I have very few possessions and I don't plan to get more, who needs junk? Most people don't vote already. That's not what we need. Fewer voters would only make each vote more powerful, that's just scary. Our fate determined by less people, not the answer. Exactly! But look at all the posters in this very forum that bitch at vegetarians or environmentalists! You are all hypocrits! We are the ones who will change the world, not you guys who refuse to live in a way that will really change things. You think coming on a forum and trying to show how much of an independent thinker you are, how on the fringe of society you are....does anything! It's ridiculous. You won't change your way of life, but you feel you can complain about how things are run, well you're helping to keep it that way. Stop consuming, stop pigging out on meat. People hate people like me because they know it's true, but they don't have the will to change. Sad. I recall the original poster said vegetarians who don't like the fact that meat is such a huge part of American culture are idiots. Whatever.
My lifestyle is more of a vote for change that anyone's vote for Nader or other third party candidate. Practice what you preach.
