The Conspiracy Conspiracy

Ok, you all know I haven't been in this forum nearly as long as some conspiracy veterans like Rat and Drew and the like, but I have seen some stuff That I think is worthy of discussion. Just some simple observations that should be put out in the open for everyone to interpret.

1: "Anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracies is a sheep/ brainwashed." Just find it funny that all the "free thinkers" and "questioners of authority" automatically categorize everyone who disagrees with them (in this case, the "authority") as morons.

2: All conspiracy links are totally and completely true, yet anything by a reputable organization that say the contrary is "placed there by 'the man'" to mislead us." It seems like anything from educate yourself or abovetopsecret is unquestionably true, yet a quote from the world health organization or national geographic or something is just "government propaganda" or some shit like that.

3: It is totally plausible that the government can kill people with heat bubbles in the ionosphere, but there is absolutely, positively no chance that the government uses schoolwork to monitor children." Nobody thinks this is the least bit funny?

4: "There is absolutely no chance that there is a single person in the federal government who wants to do good, and if there is, they get killed and there is a cover up and nobody ever finds out." Just because some people suck doesn't mean everyone sucks.


These are the main points, just thought i'd put em up see if anyone else thinks it's kinda a one sided thing going on here, because it sure seems like it...

The Mushroom Man

 

Yeah I agree that it can get a little one sided. I'll reply in the order you posted.

1. For most people, its simply too painful to start to think outside of their frame of reference. I've definitely noticed it in the case of my Economics teacher, when I tryed talking to her about the federal reserve and the fallacies of logic entailed with it. She practically said "this is the way I think, don't try to tell me otherwise." or at least that what I picked up from her, so I think it is entirely plausible that the masses are very well controlled. It really doesnt make me any more willing to be open-minded to them, when almost every conspiracy that I speak about is labeled as such, a "conspiracy" and people immediately dismiss it as fiction. Its a shutter term, along with "hippy" and "communist."

2. I know that I've never meant to imply that something was the "absolute truth," but to me, most of the things I read on E-Y seem to resonate as truthful with me, and I do see dots start to connect. And, there is a lot of disinformation out there, on both sides. I know the instance of the vaccines proves my point. They have used mercury in them to help stabilize the culture. I don't know about you, but I definitely dont wish to have mercury put into my body.

3. I assume you are referring to HAARP, which is a High powered radio antannae array in Alaska which can pump much power into our Ionoshpere. This program is funded and run by NASA, which uses it as a key in its Blue Beam Project. Why else do you think our government would have such interest in it, unless they could use it to their own benefit? And, In the case of the government monitoring children in school, I think that they can, and do, but in the case of Ender's game, which I believe you were referring to, and that one posters observation, I thought that it was perfectly suitable to the subject matter of the book, but then again, maybe the book is propaganda itself, which would not surprise me in the least.

4. The fact of the matter is that we live in a world which encourages selfish and inhumane behavior to succeed. Its a dog-eat-dog mentality, kill or be killed. And the cream rises to the top, my friend, so it doesn't surprise me that there are pathological liers and psychopathic politicians in charge of our country. Do you really think a man with a conscience and a shred of humanity would give the orders to invade a sovereign country, resulting in the death of almost a million people? The very thought makes me cold in my bones. I hope you read The Twilight of the Psychopaths, which I will link to at the end of my post, as it illustrates this point excellently. I would also suggest watching Zeitgeist: Addendum, to get an even greater view of the world in which we live, which is wired to produce scarcity, so that we are all constantly bickering with each other, attempting to be better than one another, instead of looking at the roots of our problems, and solving them. That would be very bad in the minds of the people in charge. We must instead focus on improving humanity as a whole, because it is the human element that we seem to cherish so much, instead we allow wars that have killed billions, and have hardly attempted to stop them, and I fear that the worst is yet to come.


I hope I have shared some of my insight with you on these topics.

Namaste.


Links:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/channeledgermangeneral23jan96.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barrretttwilightofpsychopaths21aug08.shtml

http://i.am/jah/evolut.htm

http://www.thinkfree.ca

 

drew5147, I think you have just proved The Mushroom Man point...lol.

 

In which way?


I wasn't attempting to prove him right or wrong, but was only trying to share my thoughts.

 

It just seemed in a round about way you were fulfilling the stereotype,The Mushroom Man, was suggesting.


Please do not be tame in responding to these questions, thanks.

Do you think anybody who does not believe your theory about the federal reserve is a sheep / brainwashed?

If you posted 10 articles from E.Y and I proved them resolutely wrong would you still think E.Y a valued source of info?

Could it not be HAARP is merely a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes and not part of a diabolical plan, and the cause of incidents all over the world?

Why else do you think our government would have such interest in the space programmes; Jet propulsion; climate studies?

Do you think there is a single person in the federal government who wants to do good?

 

I feel that there is always something hidden often times in plain view. Thoughts are powerful and if you are looking for something you can usually find it or create it if you can't find it.

I think if the government really had the peoples best interest there would not be wars, and agencies like the FDA would not approve drugs that have worse side effects than the illness being treated.

Government does what it can to keep itself going. It is kinda like a machine with only one purpose. People have the power to squash governments they just have not used it in a while. Government by it's very nature cannot feel the pain of human suffering although humans are involved in it's operation.

 

The more regulations there are, the poorer the people,
The more weapons there are, the greater the chaos.

-Lao Tzu​

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Well I would ask you to state fact's or show some kind of proof about most of the "points" that you think you have made, but I know I'd be wasting both of our times.



Woodstock was a hoax, I can PROVE it.....

 

I could believe you, if I wanted to be a sheeple.


But I prefer my whacked out conspiracy theories sthank you very much.


And nothing you could prove would ever make me think differently.


I like to think for myself thank you very much.


And, excellent posts yomama.


Remember, President Eisenhower once warned us what might happen if we let tthe people in charge of the military industrial complex run the show?


The purpose of government is to lie to the people, because if they didn't, the masses would understand how completely unnecessary such an establishment is.

 

I believe in letting people think for themselves, with as little influence on my part as possible. Its just that, as I was talking to her, I could feel the pain and fear in her voice. And then she immediately disengaged.


Are you familiar with the term "conditioning?"

 

umm its odon,, id say hes very familiar with 'conditioning" as a whole...

 

I don't really think there's anything wrong with filling a stereotype

a stereotype is simply characteristics that tend to act as a common denominator amongst a certain ilk

it has nothing to do with right or wrong

 

I'll take that as a yes.

Are you telling me the info on E.Y is "whacked out conspiracy theories"?
That is quite an admission to make.

Great.

Eh? another one of your "whacked out conspiracy theories"

I don't think I asked if the government lie...did I?

I have to say I am a little dissapointed with your reply to be honest.
You seemed so articulate earlier...you almost had me thinking you were playing with a full deck...oh well.

 

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." - Eisenhower

 

I honestly dont care if you were disappointed with my post.


What other people think of me, is none of my business.



Twist my words as you will, or dismiss them entirely.


Knowledge is the only thing that will save you, in the end.

 

I just meant you put a fair argument forward in your first post.
The second just sounded like you had dipped your head in LSD or something...missing what I was saying, not answering the point and just off on a tangent...sorry.

 

I love the spirit with which that was said. A simple but insightful observation that does't slam anyone. How refreshing!

Odon, and MM, I've posted it in a few threads and I'll say it here again. I was a fringe victim of the cult activity surrounding the McMartin child molestation case in the mid 80s. IF the things that had happened to me did not happen, I surely think I would not believe in conspiricies at all. But, my experience proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are people amoungst us who conspire to meet their own ends. No matter how much we can't relate to their weird goals/needs. In my personal experience it clearly went up to the local courts and the police force in the small beach town I lived in. It also included churches, and local business.

If you do some research on the McMartin case you'll see that the parents with the help of professionals actually validated the childrens claim that there were tunnels under the school. Interesting enough, the DA of L.A. at the time would not let this be admitted into evidence. I'm half remembering that the reason was is that the information came too close to the end of the trial to be admissable.

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/raybuckeyandmcmartintunnelspart2.shtml

For those of you who can't take EY seriously, there are plenty of other links out there to verify.

I'm just putting this out there because my feeling is, if what happned to me can happen on a small scale (ie: local gov't at the most) then it's not that hard of a leap for me to think things like this can happen on a more grand scale.

For instance, research the Franklin Coverup. To me, it cooberates what I went through, and so much more. This shit DOES happen. How high up it goes and what you believe about that, is up to you.

 

I can believe those kinds of conspiracies...I am very sorry you had anything to do with it...I will look into it further.
It is the HAARP / Illuminati / Chemtrails etc etc conspiracies I have trouble with.

 

Ummm, not to mince words with you here (and I'm sure you didn't intend it that way) but I didn't have anything to do with it, I was a target OF. I'm just puttin' that out there, because other people have assumed such in the past when I share such scant information. That I was part of the cult. I wasn't. I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when someone told me something they shouldn't have, and 'they' knew it. So, I became a target of intimidation and street theater (or what they call now, "gang stalking").

Long ago, before I knew the net, but was online in chat rooms in DOS mode...some guy that I'd never talked to sent me a message after I paid no attention to his first one because it was weird. It said "Old Chinese Proverb: May you live in interesting times."

And so we do.

 

I didn't mean to imply you had something to do with it.
I understood you were a "victim" of it.