The creation of the universe..

What do you all think happened? (I don't mind ideology from religious and non religious people, just want to know)

What do you think was there before the universe?
Nothing? Something?
What about parallel or multiverse universes?

I am an atheist that believes in a one concious universe with different planes and dimensions of conciousness throughout. I don't know how I think the universe was created, the big bang theory makes sense but what about before that? Conciousness is everlasting so I can't understand why/how/when it began...

Thanks in advance for your feedback, just looking for others opinions, no debates or anything

 

I have completly no idea.

When we will know more about anti-matter, we might be able to answer this question.

There could be something that we don't see/feel and can't observe yet, which created stuff that we are aware of.

Plausible, not confirmed.

 

I also think there are lots of periods/places in the universe were we just can't be, feel or observe. What was or wasn't there before the big bang or however the universe began is most likely such a period/place/set of circumstances. But yes, I don't have a fixed conviction on that. We just can not know (yet, perhaps never).

 

not a clue.

logically, i'd have to say there there couldn't have been nothing, since the presence of something specifically precludes there ever having been nothing.

but since time as we understand it is supposed to have started with the big bang, is it correct to even talk about things in terms of "before" the big bang? stephen Hawking described it as being like asking "what is north of the north pole?"

string theorists have a theory about it which envisions a hypothetical timeline of "before" the big bang, but its not a particularly popular view.


and does the universe have to have a beggining at all? after all, we only percieve time as being linear but we know that our perception of this is faulty, time can be molded and shaped by gravity, for example. why should we presume there to be an end or a begginning?

Here's some interesting words from the hawk:
http://www.ralentz.com/old/astro/hawking-1.html

 

I have a 'theory' but its just a thought really more than anything.

What if it was like a mother giving birth to her child?
Because when a female fetus forms in the womb, they have all the millions of eggs in their ovaries really early on in the growing process. So technically whilst carrying a daughter in your womb, you are also carrying her children and so on, even though her children are miniscule eggs and will need to go through the first 16+ years of life before being realeased and eventually fertilised then forming, even that miniscule egg has the potential to contain endless generations worth of children... so what if our universe was created through a process similar to that, created from another universe, and our universe has the same potential, to eventually create another universe.. it would be endless.

Just a thought I've been having, I know we will likely never know for sure

 

not sure i get ya, do you mean that our universe was created by another universe? but that that creation didn't mean the death of the previous universe? so, are we carrying around loads of universes WITHIN our universe, are they fully formed or sort of embryonic?

i guess what i mean is, in this model, do the universes ever exist simultaneously, or does one begin when the other ends and so on so forth.

twistin' my melon, man.

 

How about :

All the energy sucked into Black Holes hits the Singularity at the centre and is shifted backwards in time to power the Big Bang.

 

I think the question is meaningless considering the fundamental aspect of reality that what does not exist is not real.

That vacuum in our understanding stems from the fact that we are personally unaware of a time when we were not. Every bit of the way we came to being was told to us by people already existing so by education we are left with a theory of beginnings.

However nothing happens in the past, the past is a model produced by living tissue which is always on the cusp of current emergence or emerging current. Creation is not a distant novel act but new in every moment. Streaming individual photons put together to form a motion picture. If you could see the space between photons, it would appear as though the universe were winking on and off with blinding rapidity.

 

Oscillation

 

:sunny:^^This^^:2thumbsup:

 

Well I'm not sure really. maybe just that we carry the potential to create another universe if that potential is triggered, so like when an egg is realeased it either gets fertilised or nothing, so the potential to become a life form is there depending on certain conditions and circumstances occuring coincidentally at the moment the egg is ready. It could be that the big bang was in a sense 'fertilisation' because by coincidence everything happened to be in the right place at the right time, whats to say that something like that could potentially happen again? And even if it wasnt to happen again, whats to say each component in order for it to happen, isnt floating around the universe but just never meet to create a reaction. Hope that makes sense, twistin' my melon too, man.

The dope- that makes sense, creation is constant, and ever changing. Who knows what could be going on on the other side of the universe!

 

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The rise and fall of the breath, expansion or inhalation and contraction or exhalation. Just as the earth oscillates or spins giving the appearance of day and night.

 

oscillation's a repetitive regular back and forth movement, the earth just spins in a circle. do you mean that what eon described is part of a repeating pattern?

 

The earth does not move just in a circle. Because of it's forward momentum it moves in a spiral. If you were to follow any fixed point on the earth, from a stationary location, it would appear in the pattern similar to what you see on an oscilloscope. But yes, what eon described is part of a repeating pattern.

 

Yup, every damn thing is spinning and rotating around some other damn thing.

Gettin' dizzy just thinking about it.

Consider this, the Earth and by extension you and I, has never been in the same spot in space twice or for longer than a millisecond, but is in continual movement through space and time. We are always every second entering new and unexplored territory of the Universe. We just don't notice it much because everything else around us is also hurling through space, so from our relative perspective,
we just go around the sun in circles.:sunny:

 

Getting a bit OT but...

Many people like the 2 dimensional spiral and even get it tattooed on themselves etc. but the 3 D shape is a coil, helical form or oscilloscope with depth. Viewed in 2D from the end it is a circle and from the side it is a waveform like an oscilloscope screen.

NoxiousGas : Actually the earth's orbit is hardly ever a circle. It changes over time to and from an ellipse. It wobbles about all over the place.

Wild recent finding from Astronomy is that the expansion of the Universe is speeding up !

 

Do you have a link to an article Eon? About the expansion speeding up? :2thumbsup:

 

Here's the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe

The Nat Geo http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...iverse-expansion-what-is-dark-energy-science/
(Note the comments Re: Quantum theory)

There's a whole list including NASA and Scientific American if you Search "dark energy universe expanding".

 

I have no clue. I'm just trying to be here now.