The death of God

I'm sure there have been many threads started like this one,but I have to voice how I feel.I've recently decided that,at the end of the day,after all things considered,I can no longer say that I really believe in God.And that even if there is some supra-physical entity out there who created the universe,then that being is largely mindless,unknowing and impersonal;of no use to any living person on this planet.I wanted to to try to believe in a good God somewhere out there,so we could ultimately be saved from going to hell on Earth,but I've come to realize it is only us people that can do this through our physical thoughts and actions right now and as we move forward in real-time.I am somewhat disheartened by the death of my personal God,but I see this is the only option for me.Was I being naive in the first place to believe?Have any of you out there had similar realizations.Or did you start out atheist and end up believing? A penny for your thoughts...(There is still so much I don't understand...That I can't even begin to think about it...It's still a beautiful World.)

 

I've never believed. I think logic thinking started early for me...

 

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then please do that . peace ? elation ? sadness ? what ...

logic is expressively insufficient .

 

I'm caught between infinity and boundedness.Both seem to be an impossibility.There seem to be amazing coincidences and synchronicities in nature and in the extraordinary beauty of the universe,but I find it ultimately purposeless and incomprehensible.The madness of the world is on the march and I just can't make any sense of it anymore.

 

I feel deeply sad and very alone,even when I am with people...So hard to find people I can relate to.There is so much good in people and in the World but it all seems to be such a wasted opportunity.In a sense it is irrelevant if people believe in god or not,why can't we come together and try to see the beauty and the potential in everyone;what is this "invisible power" dividing us. (Capitalism,religious differences etc.) Even though I may be renouncing my belief in God to some extent I still believe in Super-Nature and that there is more than meets the eye in the structure of the universe and the workings of the human mind.There is enough in the world to inspire awe and wonderment without having to posit some "God","creator-figure" or "prime-mover".

 

It sounds like you fit the "Spiritual but not religious" category on the dating sites. Your beliefs don't seem much different from my own, although I prefer the "Progressive Christian" label indicating my devotion to the teachings and example of Jesus. As you say, there is plenty "in the world to inspire awe and wonder", there are those synchronicities, etc. It's less important to me that there is some intelligent agent behind it all than that there could be, and even more important to me is the metaphor that is the Sum of Human Idealism and the Ground of Being. If metaphors don't work for you, no problem. You've had what sounds to me like a spiritual awakening that could be the beginning of an exciting journey if you stay open to new possibilities.

 

Metaphors generally work fine for me Okiefreak,in the absence of more tangible certainties.

 

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Me too.

 

Beyong our understanding.

Biological life doesn't have sense to me. There was no reason for it to be created. There could be earth with only rocks on it. Nothing would change.
We are nothing in the scale of universe. We are nothing in scale of time. We have came here for a little and we are going to pass. I have no idea if we will have enough time to develop to the level of understanding what is the point of all of it. But does there have to be point? Did something or someone created laws of physics, which later were able to create our universe?
No one knows.

Personally I don't think that there is a point for all of that. It just exists. Even if there is, it is probably beyong our understanding.

Belief in god gives you answer not based on anything, so you don't have to think. What they say about point of your life and existence is nice, so you don't have to worry about it. It is a way of manipulating. They are telling you what you want to hear, while threatening that if you do something they don't allow, you will go to hell. You can question it, you must obey it.

If you discard god, then you must be able to find answers yourself. And in most cases they aren't nice as truth is never nice.

Even if god exists he is one big ugly motherfucker...

 

I agree with you on some points FlyingFly but even I am perhaps so not pessimistic.Biological life has innate meaning,teleology and co-ordination.Our conscious minds are evidence of that.Life on Earth might just be the most amazing happenstance in the Universe.Even if life is non-purposive,it has rhythm and it has charm.Of course we will never properly "know".The only thing we can properly do is experience.Art and science are diversions and everything created under the sun by Man and Nature are I suppose diversions to stop us going crazy,or to make us crazy,I don't know which.

 

But why it was created? It has purpose now, to allow species to survive. But we don't know beggining or ending of the story. Why it is so important for life to survive? And why was it created? Do you think that there was a point in creation of life? In my opinion it was just a simple chemical accident. Few chemicals were there at that time and created life. Simple action-reaction thing. We now are reaction to all of this, yet we all are going to die. As an individuals but also as a species.

It has ryth and charm and so do other physical occurences. Yes, life is very unique. We can think about ourselves like about anomaly.

If nothing stops us, we will develop into gods. Only laws of physics were able to destroy a planet before us. Now we can do that. We can trigger that event. Something non-biological might have triggered us and now we as in chain reaction trigger other stuff. Some day we might trigger something greater than ourselves.

Yes, to us. To us it is amazing. But what are we in universe? Nothing. We don't matter, therefore what we think doesn't matter. Unless we will be able to create or destroy universes, we won't matter anything. And yet then we will matter only for that universes. Not for 'the whole thing'. We are just like a bacterias left in laboratory. We will grow untill we have resources. When they vanish, we also will.

Unless we will be able to create something from nothing, but this is too abstract even for this thread...

Yes. We will give that way sense to our life. But it is our sense. It doesn't matter for anyone else and especially not for the universe. See my ranting above.

Depends what you mean by crazy. There are no crazy things. There are only different things.
I am not sure if I understand what you mean by these diversions though.
Art is science. Science is art.

I prefer to call myself a realist...

 

When I was 13-14- I and a couple of friends discussed the ins and outs,the good ,the bad, the ridiculous,the sublime,the horrors ,the beauty,the obsessed.the devil may care and just about all else humanity and nature had manifested to our young minds,unformed as they were. My conclusion then is the same as I hold today. My gramma who raised me was religious in her own way and impressed upon me that in order to cure most of humanitys ills,one only need employ one maxim--do unto others as you would have them do unto you. So when I realized that we humans were/are not able and not supposed to be able to determine the absolute nature and reaon(if any) for our existence (at 13), I tried to base my actions on grammas wise words and to never again worry about gods or the so-called afterlife and just try to stick to what my dear gramma told me. Point is,after pondering it out,it has never seemed worth worrying about because really-what will be will be and no one has a lick of control over what god ACTUALITY is ,has been,and will be

So ,in conclusion--if I have been able,in the main,to treat others as I have been wanting to be treated throughout my short stay in this life---I figure I'm in as good a shape as anyone else with kind of an insurance policy for unseen contingencies.

 

I've explained before how you get something from 'nothing' starting with just space and imperfection.

There's a very good probability that space is infinite with all things considered, Hubble deep field and such. So what do we know about the universe? Patterns emerge from energy and repeat; galaxies, stars, planets, galaxies, stars, planets... X 200 billion from just what our limited technology can see. What is most likely to exist a billion trillion light years away in infinite space? galaxies, stars, planets, galaxies, stars, planets... From what we've observed, other universes formed from the same substance of space are likely not much different than ours.

Although formations of higher complexity may be rare and require massive numbers and immense periods of time. The infinity of space provides the the possibility of proteins and life to form. Like stars & planets, LIFE is a pattern that repeats. Human DNA is a pattern that repeats. Other humans may be a zillion light-years away but we know from our existence that we are possible. Space is infinite and these distances are unfathomable but the space and time between intelligent life is meaningless. Only consciousness can experience the passage of time and so, in a sense, consciousness is eternal. Without God, without spirituality, life is an eternal, natural pattern. Unfortunately all things that come with life are also eternal; pain, suffering, hunger... but also happiness and ecstasy, even if it may be the rarest pattern of all.

That is all logical and most likely, but what is extremely unlikely? A super powerful consciousness that transcends matter and massive spatial distances. Every piece of empirical knowledge and logic suggests otherwise. There is absolutely not one shred of real evidence or even any logic to support this fantasy we have of a God.

 

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Where does energy come from?

 

Energy is movement. Actually Movement=Energy=Time, those three things are one in the same, neither can exist without the other. There is no movement without time, there is no energy without movement.

Energy or movement is intrinsic to space if one natural law is true: Imperfection, nothing is perfect, not even the fabric of space. Science knows that gravity distorts space. I came to the simple realization that gravity IS most likely spatial distortion itself. Call it fluctuations, imperfections, distortions... spatial distortions GRAVITATE, they are attracted to each other. What happens when multiple distortions are attracted? Movement starts happening, ENERGY. The movement of spatial distortions before the big bang would be the "Big Crunch". Eventually energy overcomes gravity and BANG!

 

That says what energy is, not where it comes from. There isn't anything that just can move. Force needs to be applied.

Energy doesn't equal movement.

Theres stored energy (potential) and kinematic energy (when stuff moves).

But there are more types of energy.
Theres heat, theres light, theres electrical energy and many more.

I think it was supposed to be monty pythons 'deadly joke' for every single physicist in the world.

 

it's an angst , yet if you carry on strong it resolves to peace
and power . the sadness goes away . sure is odd that the more
universal one becomes the lonelier is the feeling ... but it's rather
an illusion . children , for example , know the truth of such soulfulness .

'the death of god' does not relate very well to your feelings and
experience . it's just a thought thingy .