The end of the detox industry

here ya go
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6533

 

Hah, I'll just keep doing drugs that don't show up on urine tests...and if that fails, I'll import dehydrated urine (I wonder if this will be a felony one day?)

 

yeah.
im sure it will be a felony one day and if this bill passes, companys are going to have an even harder time fidning employees.
By the way what drugs dont show up on urine test?

 

The NIDA 5 they test for are: Methamphetamine, Opiates (Morpheine specifically), PCP (Why?), THC, and Cocaine. Anything else would require a more specific test.

 

its gonna be harder to get jobs now, and people are gonna be losing jobs left and right. bush is fucking up everything.

 

and companys are also going to be waving bye bye to a lot of good employees, not only users, but also civil libertarians who wont put up with this bull shit.

 

Funny thing is that detox supplements actually have legitimate uses. I'm sure a much larger backlash will come from the dietary and nutrition industries, as that's where the largest portion of these products are used.

I'm sure there won't be enough people losing jobs to cause massive damage at an economic level, though this is because not many people are actually required to take regular drug tests to keep their jobs. However, with the rising trend with insurance companies absolutely requiring monthly drug tests (sometimes even firing employees over the use of alcohol and tobacco!), this has the potential to be the straw that breaks the camel...

 

YOu stated most people arent required to take regular drug test to keep their jobs? Where do you live man? Where im at you have to take regular drug test to keep your job as a janitor.

 

well the US drug war is officially out of control, Im quite glad i live in canada, although im sure many of the detox kits available here are imported from the states...

how? that statement is so full of shit, I can smell it from here

 

@forest: NC. I don't know any lower- or middle-classed workers that have to take drug tests on a regular basis; I don't even think most of the upper-class workers I know have to take them, either. It maybe different in the rural and suburban areas than in urban areas, though...

 

ahh im in an urban area of fl, and random testing is very common here

 

Just about all employers will require you to be under scrutiny for random testing, but that's quite different than regular testing. Generally you won't be randomly tested unless one of those psychotic uber-right-wingers overhears you talking about using, or if you constantly come in late or are unable to function properly (and in the latter case, you're quite deserving of some scrutiny!)

 

I have a *really* cushy job in IT and wasn't required to be tested. Everyone knows I'm hai anyways, they don't need a test to tell them. Even with the constant lateness, bags under eyes, phunky smells, and even multi-hour lunches I am not tested. I think it's an invasion of privacy, but there are no laws that protect your privacy per se. Most of my other friends are in construction, and since tons of laborers are crackheads and dope fiends, nobody's getting tested lol... i think that most places that require tests like that are uber huge corporations who need to protect their massive public image. Just my take on it...

 

i'll just use the old "clean friends piss in a condom" trick.

 

Some employers test the temperature of the urine...some watch you while you go! I had the latter on my last test...if it hadn't been a hot nurse I probably would have refused the test.

 

Yea cops watch you in mirrored rooms at the court here if you get drug tested by the .gov.

 

Since traces of cannabinoids can be found in blood and urine after second hand smoke and it is not ilegal to be in the same room as someone smoking pot, I really don't see how there is any evidence of ilegal druguse if you don't confess to it.

From the Journal of Forensic Sciences, 30 oct. 1985
Title:Cannabinoids in blood and urine after passive inhalation of Cannabis smoke.
Morland J, Bugge A, Skuterud B, Steen A, Wethe GH, Kjeldsen T.

Abstract:
"To test the possibility that cannabinoids are detectable following passive inhalation of Cannabis smoke the following study was performed. Five healthy volunteers who had previously never used Cannabis, passively inhaled Cannabis smoke for 30 min. Cannabis smoke was provided by other subjects smoking either marijuana or hashish cigarettes in a small closed car, containing approximately 1650 L of air. delta 9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) could be detected in the blood of all passive smokers immediately after exposure in concentrations ranging from 1.3 to 6.3 ng/mL. At the same time total blood cannabinoid levels (assayed by radioimmunoassay [RIA] ) were higher than 13 ng/mL in four of the volunteers. Both THC and cannabinoid blood concentrations fell close to the cutoff limits of the respective assays during the following 2 h. Passive inhalation also resulted in the detection of cannabinoids in the urine by RIA and enzyme multiple immunoassay technique (EMIT) assays (above 13 and 20 ng/mL, respectively). It is concluded that the demonstration of cannabinoids in blood or urine is no unequivocal proof of active Cannabis smoking."

If opiates can be found after eating bread with poppy seeds or using legal perscription or over-the-counter medication, what does a positive test actually prove?

 

Actually, being in the same room as someone using illegal drugs could be considered aiding and abetting, being an accessory, as well as obstruction of justice...to name a few.

Poppy seeds can create false positives for heroin, DXM-containing cough medications can create false positives for PCP, and Sudafed can create false positives for methamphetamine. However, the latter two would only create false positives on urine tests; a GCMS would reveal their true origins. THC and cocaine showing up even on a urine test are hands-down admissions of guilt...

 

So being in the same room as someone smoking pot is illegal in the US. You poor people, you havn't got much freedom left have you? There dosn't seem to be much justice left in the justice system.
But anyway, aiding and abetting, being an accessory, as well as obstruction of justice, is still not the same as using drugs. It just means that you have freinds of the politically incorrect kind and the government chooses to punish you for having the wrong freinds.

 

Yes, but smoking cannabis is merely something even upstanding citizens choose to do in their free-time; there's nothing morally reprehensible about it, however, this fact isn't going to help you in a court case...the legislative branch can only enforce current laws, not create new ones.