The Holocaust Industry

We've all heard of the Holocaust. No denying that it went on. Historical fact.

But have you ever challenged the numbers given? Six million Jews dead.

The math does not add up however. Best estimates are around 1.5 million executions, so you have to wonder what happened to the other 4.5 million Jews.

They most likely left the area after WWII and went to other countries. Many changed their names to make them sound less Jewish. Common practice. You can hardly blame them, considering what they had just been through.

Somebody produce for me all six million names. I want to see them, AND the evidence they were indeed executed.

The reason I bring this subject up is because the Holocaust is being used to gather sympathy for "other" purposes, like US aid to apartheid Israel.

Have we not had enough of this whining? Most of the people involved are close to dying off. Those left behind have no claim to this incident other than for profit.

Don't let them have it.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/content.php?pg=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeVR8xHODxU

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/02/19/germans-confront-the-holocaust-industry-finally/

http://www.rense.com/general24/kud.htm


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I don't think this is the answer, i do not think it matters if one Jew or 6 million went through the holocaust, it is wrong any which way. I think it is more useful to focus on the fact that humans do not need to there for should not ever kill and torture each other.

I do dislike how the holocaust is portrayed by some as the only war crime ever comitted, i think it is important to recognize all war crime for what it is. Having Armenian heritage it is very sad for me some Jewish groups in America are lobying against recognizing the Armenian genocide. Although i do understand the American governments reluctance due to tensions in the area.

What i am saying is there is no need to demean one group of people's suffering whether they be Christian, muslim (the Bosnian genocide was only recognized last year in Australia), Jewish or any religion or non religion. So to me your line of question seems destructive and hurtful, perhaps the numbers isn't the right thing to get fussy about?

 

Would you just fuck off. It's one thing to oppose Zionism, but Holocaust revisionism, no matter how it's presented is always anti-Semitic and just ignorant.
Seems like you've exhausted all of your valid arguments against Israel, and are now resorting to crap like this to try and make an outrageous enough statement that people might listen. When you do this, you're the one who looks like a bigot, not the zionists.

 

Are you saying the Holocaust industry doesn't exist?

How is it anti-semitic if its wrong about the numbers?

Show me 6 million names and PROOF they died at the hands of the Nazis and I'll shut up.

Like I said, the numbers don't add up to the claims.

I have a friend who recently toured Treblinka. Here are some comments he made about it:


I visited Treblinka a little over a week ago. (Treblinka II and Treblinka I)

What a farce that was.

In Treblinka II, the jews claim 850,000 were gassed, buried, dug back up and then burned in large pyres until there was nothing left but ashes.

I am relaying info directly from their brochure, ..... it says; The extermination camp in Treblinka was built in the middle of the year 1942...............The rebellion organized by prisoners broke out on 2 August 1943 .............Late in November, 1943 it [the extermination camp] ceased to exist.

(i shortened paragraph for sake of brevity.)

so..850,000 were gassed, buried, dug up and then burned without a trace over the course of 12 to 13 months?

who in their right minds believe such horseshiatte??


some observations;

-The place is eerily deserted...Had it not been for a busload of young Israelis, I was 1 of about a dozen people that was there. It was a pleasant Sunday afternoon. The place is creepy...everything there is labeled "symbolic". The place gave me a strange feeling

- next to nothing is written in German..Only English and Polish


-the road leading to the extermination memorial is a horrendous joke..I am sure you will think i am exaggerating. The road is a goat trail...4km is so rough that i hesitated continuing with my rental car. Its like the Poles dont want people to visit this site. For such a famous place...surely there could be a reasonable road.?

- There is no evidence of anything....They have put up a memorial of Rocks in an open meadow.

- they have photos with captions on large boards around parts of the Memorial. One thing that made me laugh out loud ( i am serious) was a photo of a large excavator ..They claim..."digging of mass graves". In reality it was likely a picture from the nearby Gravel Quarry


- A penal camp 2 km away (Treblinka I) from the memorial was needed because in reality Treblinka was a massive Gravel Quarry. Foundations and other building ruins are there and there is obviously no challenge on Treblinka I. They report about 10,000 "died or were shot". There are Crosses with names and faces . Mostly Poles....however there were some jews at the penal camp as i noticed there was a "jewish Barracks" on site.

The Israeli Youth of course were flying their Israeli Flags.. Strong Nationalism coming from them.

I walked right through the middle of the group to make closer observations....all very young and I wanted to experience the Holocaust religion close up. I did this with no suspicion because they were standing on the main path. I hesitated a bit and took some pictures...of course acting like i were a shameful goy murderer.

There was nothing to preserve....there wasn't a trace of anything there..not holes or depressions, nothing.......just grass....it was a open meadow.

An Australian Researcher did Seismic over the entire area and discovered the soil had NEVER been disturbed. They took countless core samples over the area and couldnt find traces of anything.

Another section from the letter:

The Poles had a solid memorial along with an execution site and the figures they used for their dead were realistic..They claim 10,000 died or were shot..that included Polish Jews as well.

but the extermination gas chamber story is nonsense in the extreme..no way was there 850,000 gassed, buried, redug up, burned on open air pyres.....then miraculously there being no trace of anything....and even more astounding..this was done over about a 12 month period?

Care to explain his observations? And how about that seismic survey finding nothing???

Just because something is perpetuated for years as the truth doesn't mean that it is.


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It seems like anti-semitism to me.

 

The Nazi regime was a well oiled-killing machine. They had mass execution and the disposal of corpses down to an exact science. I have no doubt that the numbers are correct.

 

Why does it seem like anti-semitism?

If the figures are wrong, they need to be adjusted. The problem is if you adjust them down, you lose the sympathy that the larger numbers bring. This is what all the fuss is about. Has nothing to do with religion or ethnic groups otherwise.

I know one of the camps did indeed adjust the numbers down. If I find it later you folks can read it for yourselves.


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Here go:

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/eng/aktualnosci/news.php?rok=2005

So you see, its NOT anti-semitic to question long held beliefs. They dropped the numbers from Auschwitz down to 1.5 million instead of the original estimate of 4 million. Thats quite a drop.

Let those who prosper off untruths fear the truth.


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I hope you've got some salt and pepper to eat those words with.


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Talk to a holocaust survivor.

Who cares about the "exact" number? What's going to happen? "Oh, the holocaust isn't horrifying anymore, because they only actually killed 3 million people." My god people are sick.

 

The exact numbers do matter, because there are some that are taking advantage of those deaths to further an agenda.

If you want to cry over numbers, give the Russians a call.

They lost over 20 million people.

You don't hear them whining. They gave the dead their respect and they moved forward. The Jews have not done so.

They milk this event for all the sympathy they can get. Even 60+ years later.

Its time to move forward.



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Oh, are you sure? Shouldn't we go back and look at that number too? What if only 10 million died? Would it change anything?

I agree with the idea that the Holocaust is being used to further agendas. It's fucked up and disgusting.

However I don't think that "adjusting" the number of deaths will do anything. It doesn't change the nature of the event. You are just trying to attack the event itself, because you don't like how its been used. It won't make it less terrible to subtract a couple million people. It happened.

 

Look at your own sig and then ask me that. You're so biased by your own anti-Jew/anti-Israel views you can't see the anti-semitism in the issues you bring up.

Outstanding claims need outstanding evidence. If you can prove what you say I'll be happy to look at it. Until then it's nothing more than rhetoric.

 

Because it is Mr. Ford.

Antisemitism is the prejudice against or hostility toward Jews as a group. The prejudice or hostility is usually characterized by a combination of religious, racial, cultural and ethnic biases. While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since its creation it has been used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews.[wiki]

If your actions weren't hostile you wouldn't be worried about the numbers of Holocaust victims. (I don't see you fact checking Darfur victims in any of your posts... in fact they all seem to be about how "The International Jew" is destroying everything.)


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/ford1.html

 

It matters for the point I stated and you agreed with. It doesn't concern me otherwise.

History is laced with such slaughters of people. It's nothing new to me. My view of history goes deeper than most people's. The past 5000 years have been interesting but not out of the ordinary. People still kill people for reasons of ignorance.

It is ignorance that I wish to dispel. Those who rest comfortably in their positions of power built on this ignorance should fear me.


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That's a point I was meaning to bring up in the near future, and one of the reasons for my wording, "anti-Jew/anti-Israel" in my previous post.

Other semitic groups who hate Jews have lately been taking up the mentality of "I can't hate what I am myself" to downplay the word anti-semite and hopefully make their anti-jewish sentiments a little less abrasive to the masses.

You bring up a good point that the word "anti-semitic" has been exclusively used for hatred of Jews ever since the term fell into the English lexicon.

Anti-Jew, or anti-semitic, it's really the same deal. I don't see bigots using the term for hatred of Saudis or Palestinians.

 

That's what it's all really about isn't it? Getting people to fear you.
A stereotypical power play.

 

Anti-Jewish, never have been. Anti-Israel, only up to the point of the zionist government's power over the nation. It is a racist apartheid system built on the idea of Jewish supremacy over the land. It needs to be dismantled before all those people there die at the hands of it.

That, is my concern. For Jew and Arab alike.

Anti-semite? Not hardly. Today's Jews are not the semite Jews of the bible. They're Khazars. Converts from northern Europe,from a warrior people.

The term anti-semite was hijacked by zionism to use as a slapping glove for anybody questioning what they were up to. And since its been going on for over a 100 years now, it seems to be a part of western culture.

Technically, the Khazar Jews are the real anti-semites because they hate their darker skinned true semite neighbors.

Did you read the link I provided? It's the official Auschwitz site, not some kook link.


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My interest in not in power, but in the unplugging of one thats hurting people.

As a world citizen, I have no bias towards any country including my own. My goal is to see that everyone gets along. As humans.

Not with this race or that religion. That doesn't matter to me at all.

I work from the human up. Most people can't be that flexible because their beliefs won't allow it.




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If your agenda is as peaceful and people loving as you say, why all the anti-semitism in your posts?