The intent of christ

Occam proposes. That the intent of christ was reason...
He was a rational compassionate man in an age of ego and hate.

He was a man ,, and no more.

Occam suggests he was a geat man...but no more than a human.
[there is no functional difference in thouht between male and female]

But christ was no more than occam or you...
Human

Occam

 

Jesus was so much more. He was a savior for the world. He died on the cross for our sins. He came back from the dead.

 

Northernlight

Without reffering in ANY way to the bible...
Tell occam how you know that.?

Occam

 

Doesn't jesus even say himself in the bible, that he is only a human like you or I, and that we could do more yet than he could?

 

That's like asking a history school teacher to teach history without a text book. I don't think you see what you're asking.

 

He was human just like us. But his question was kind of insulting about Jesus. Jesus was all that and a bag of chips.

 

Yes, but the matter of Jesus is so much more than history, for you let him into your deepest innerworkings. What Jesus was, historically, cannot be verified; only children will believe on the basis of this supernatural hero character that rises from the dead. Many surround Jesus in controversy with literal interpretations of his identity; when the true essence of Jesus is the blessings he bestows upon those who open their hearts...

 

jesus rawks my sawks!

 

To look at the first point - that Christ's intent was reason - I agree up to a point, but far more than reason, I think faith was what he wanted to instill in people, and a faith not necesarily dependent on reason, although not contradicting it.

The human or divine or even dual (human & divine) nature of Christ is a matter of faith and revelation - it cannot be established by reason alone which of these represents the truth.

For those with faith, Jesus is far more than any human being.

If we do exclude the Bible, then only personal experience of the reality of Jesus as a living Divine being could be a basis for any discussion of Him. This too, no doubt, the rationalist will reject as more or less subjective, whilst not seeing the same subjective nature of his own thinking and conclusions.

 

i think your onto right occam... i also think faith is sordove like trust, not like taking someones word that theres a God, but taking someones word that they are a realized being and exist on a higher plane of conciousness than you and know something that you dont... so THAT is how we achieve salvation, is realizing it can be achieved and people have achieved it for ages, and still do, and stop chasing the fuckin' tail of the dogma like tool says. basically you have to realize your in prison before you can escape it, by having faith it is possible, that all things are possible.

i think the bible can be a beautiful book, but like many great minds or works, it is misunderstood and misinterpreted into something that was not meant to be.

 

Northern Light

Are you saying that a teacher cannot teach without a textbook?
Occam asks you. What textbook did CHRIST carry?
What textbooks did MAN carry before WE made TEXTBOOKS?

You have invalidated your own religion.

Occam

 

the scriptures....
even b4 jesus was on earth,there was scriptures and prophesies that told of his life befor it was lived!the bible does not begin after christ,the new testement does,coz its a new covenant with god

 

Jesus was the human form of God.

 

you know, if someone said that now a days they would be thrown into the nuthoue? so, if we say Jesus was no better than you and me, and we could all potentially be as wonderful as this man supposedly was, doesnt that mean we are ALL forms of God, each creating and destroying things and deciding whats right or wrong for us? again i think this stems off from someone misinterpreting the bible, perhaps occam can make a better argument....

 

im quite sane thank you.

 

occam how many times I have replied to posts on the internet saying that I believe that Jesus was one of the greatest men to have ever lived....

Somehow, as soon as Jesus name is mentioned, thought seems to loose reason, and all sorts of preconcieved ideas about my meaning of the statement overrule the statement itself.

I'm not especially intelligent and apart from Henry Thereau, cannot think of anyone else who made such a great contribution towards a better future society than Jesus (though I'm sure there must be...Buddha?)

If you take all the rubbish away and stick to the basics of what this man Jesus was actually saying...Then you end up with a working plan for a very fine future for the human race.

Seems to me that his words and life have become so distorted as to be utterly ridiculous.........

Proof, this thread.

We do not use the shoulders of this great man to become better people, to climb with his simple guidance on self control, compassion and tolerance to a better world, instead we twist and manipulate, distort and brainwash, use his name as a power for our own ends.....and in the modern world it is all just plain "gone silly"

What a shame.
What a different place the world could have been......

 

we are not all forms of god but where made in his likeness!
jesus is sometimes refered to as the second adam....the reason bein his heritage was given over to us wen he sacrafised his life........we swapped our pain and suffering for his righeousness and peace!
everything jesus has we have in the holy spirit!
if jesus did it we can through his strenghth which lives in us

 

Arlia

This is weak reasoning...Did christ read these pre-himself..texts?
Were they relevant?
They certainly are not now...
For they contain a whole lot of real nasty things the god of love is not
supposed to do... like smashing the heads of his enemies.
And trampling the virginity of unbeliever's daughters.

Occam has asked many christians about the old testament..
Most would like it to go away..quietly.

You say the new testament is a 'new coventant with god'
Then the old covenant..the old testament..is invalid.
Then christ...a wise man and a god by your argument..
Would not use the old testament as a textbook...

If jesus had used the old testament as a WAY.
He would now be called the wrathfull god..
Not the god of love.

Occam

 

StrawPuppy

Well said..
And occam agrees...

Jesus. to occam. is a wise human...
Far wiser than the time frame he lived in. Thought greek philosophy had much reason and wisdom...it was flawed.

His reason and compassion are standards that hold TRUE to this day.

The example of a true and good life. A selfless life ,as with jesus..
WAS warped and used by the organisation called christianity...
Jesus was understanding
Religion is control.

If christianity had half a brain..the world would be a far nicer place to live in. It would be the WORLD religion...
Yet it is not..why? because self seeking fools organised it.
Christainity is a SECT of world religion NOW..Because it was set up and run by those with little reason and NO imagination.

jesus spoke..And no reason can argue that his words were false.
However.. religion is another thing entirely.
Religion is not the way of jesus.
It is the way of itself.

Occam speaks on your thread not to say jesus was false...
But that organised religion is a thing that took all that was good in his words and acts... and turned them into a method of control.

Occam

 

Exactly occam, therein lies the truth, and it is so simple to see.....

Why-oh-why, is it so difficult for others to see......