The jews are almost all gone

Discussion in 'Judaism' started by Green, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    Infact, you make up 0.2 percent of the worlds population now.
     
  2. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    But are there less of them, or just more of everyone else? :rolleyes:
     
  3. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    really? I didn't know that! :eek:
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    what's your point, Green?
     
  5. BraveSirRubin

    BraveSirRubin Members

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    Yet we still control so much :)
     
  6. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Don't forget although the Jews run short in numbers and Israel is small in size it is still in the center of the world's attention : )
     
  7. Aerosolhalos

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    Sounds like someone's never been to New York.
     
  8. seamonster66

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    .2 is still 14 million people
     
  9. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Now how does that compare to other races such as Chinese or Indian. Also I must point out that all the Jews even in America will return to Israel.... God's word demands it.
     
  10. seamonster66

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    Judaism is a religion, India and China are countries for one thing.

    And secondly, if everything in the bible is true according to you, then something has been misinterpreted, there is no chance of that happening.
     
  11. JesusDiedForU

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    Is there such a thing as a jewish race?

    The Bible is very clear.... The Jews will return to their own land. This prophecy is found all over the OT but a good reference is in Ez. 37
     
  12. JesusDiedForU

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    O yeah its already happening....
     
  13. seamonster66

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    No it isn't....every major US and European city has a significant Jewish population, and i for one, will prevent your little prophecy from happening while I am alive...sorry to rain on your parade, but you will have to wait for the end of the world....

    Maybe you won't even see the end of the world, and wouldn't that be so sad for you....boooo hoooo
     
  14. JesusDiedForU

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    Do you even know why most of the Jews will return to Israel? If you studied the Babylon Prophecies you would know.
     
  15. JesusDiedForU

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    Explain...
     
  16. vinceneilsgirl

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    No kidding!
     
  17. atropine

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    of course there is

    hell, just get a dictionary. a jew can be of race or religion. so there are jews with no faith in god.
     
  18. the dauer

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    atropine,

    The confusion is that Judaism is a different type of religion than Christianity which is faith-based. Judaism is more of a nation-religion. There used to be many such religions. Judaism is the only one that has survived. A Jew who does not believe in God is not a Jew for racial reasons, but rather for religious reasons. They are a Jew because their mother was a Jew. If they are female and marry a non-Jew, their child will be Jewish. If they are male and marry a non-Jew, their child will not be Jewish. Jewishness is determined by matrilineal descent. Tribal affiliation is patrilineal.

    This is all according to halachah, to Jewish religious law, which does not operate according the laws by which science would determine a race.

    Dauer
     
  19. heron

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    Out of curiosity, if "Jewishness" is passed on matrilineally, then shouldnt there be more focus on Asherah rather than Yahweh?

    How is it that the Levite priests manage to stamp out worship of the goddess of the Semitic people, but managed to keep matrilineal practices? If it is a patrilineal religion, you would think that it would be a patrilineal culture through and through.

    Not trying to be offensive, just honestly curious for an answer.
     
  20. the dauer

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    At one point there as the tribe being passed on patrilineally and nothing matrilineal. But there came a point where it was necessary to determine whether a child was actually Jewish, and this could not be done via the father because the father could not necessarily be determined, however the mother always could. That is all something that Orthodox Judaism would deny. It would go so far as to interpret Torah according to the laws of matrilineal descent. Tribe, however, was always patrilineal.

    But if you are under the assumption that there is no divine feminine in Judaism, you are incorrect. It survived in many forms, from the Shechinah, which is God's presence, to other things that aren't actually godly like the Torah, the Shabbat, both feminine in gender. Another thing to point out is that Yhwh ends with an "H" which is, actually, usually a feminine ending so concept is much more egal friendly. It was those who came later that would replace that name with Adonai, which means "My Lord."

    I guess my answer is that it's not a patrilineal religion through and through. We use a lunar calendar, and there are records of women's gatherings around the new moon that go back. It is not a purely linear religion. We have a few harvest festivals on our calendar that are significant.

    Another point I will make is that the Jerusalem priesthood did not create rabbinic Judaism. The rabbis did. They built it the same way the Jerusalem priesthood built their religion, by using the older text to validate their ideas. But if you try to learn Judaism with only a Tanach, you're going to miss a lot.

    Dauer

    edit: I'll also mention some feminine names of God

    El Shadai (God of Breasts or Breasted God although originall it may have meant God of the hills, this is how it is sometimes understood within the Jewish tradition.)

    El Rachamim (Wombly God or, more frequently translated as compassionate God, from rechem, which means womb.)

    Shechinah (God's presence)

    Yhwh (ends with a hei, which is usually feminine.)

    Yah (Also ends with a hei.)
     

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