The Supreme Court endorses the personal right to own guns.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by The Scribe, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. The Scribe

    The Scribe Member

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    Many people have a tendency to allow our likes and dislikes to influence our judgment of what is true and false. I am one of these people. I dislike guns. I am alienated from the American gun culture. Men who collect guns they don’t need, and men who go into the woods in order to kill animals are different from me. I don’t particularly like those men.

    Nevertheless, I am going to reserve judgment on this Supreme Court decision. As the result of it, many gun control laws will be overturned. Gun ownership is going to increase. My intuition tells me the crime rate will increase. If it does not, or if there is a decrease I will acknowledge that I am mistaken.

    If the crime rate increases, and if this increase can be linked to yesterday’s Supreme Court Decision, I would like for the Second Amendment to be repealed. When considering a gun control law the question should be: “What effect will this have on the crime rate?” and not: “Is this law consistent with the Second Amendment?”
     
  2. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    Crime rates are a direct result of economics for the most part, not gun ownership.

    Fix the economy, most criminals would prefer to live a decent life with a regular job.

    But instead, we pin the blame on the criminals instead of fixing the problems that produce criminals.

    I don't like guns either. No use for them. But in light of what our governemnt is turning into, the citizens better be ready with a little We the People action should it come to that. An unarmed populace is not what you want to couple with a rogue government.


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  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    The best thing US citizens can do in todays climate is to hold on to their guns and keep them loaded. And I don't own a gun and have never liked them, but there comes a point where perhaps I'll have to take up arms. You can thank GW for my change in attitude.
     
  4. Ocean Bionic

    Ocean Bionic Hero of the People

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    i agree. i don't understand a society that says I cant own a gun, and then uses tv to isolate my brain and better judgment. When the revolution comes, I want to be able to fight the good battle...
     
  5. Shane99X

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    read: more guns, less crime

    it's a good book.
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Oh no.... gunz r evol... saive meee guberment. Pleaze take awaie all r gunz so u can bettir lorde ober us with ur iorn fiste.

    Actually the ruling endorses the right to own guns WITH PROVISIONS. In other words, you can own guns as long as they say you can own them. It's a lot like so-called human rights, which are different from inalienable rights. Few people realize that human rights are given to you by the state, which can also take them away. This is different from the inalienable, god-given rights described by the Constitution. So the 2nd Amendment has been hijacked no matter what way you look at it. You should be happy, Scribe, we are one step closer to the one world socialist dictatorship you and your buddies so desire.

    Only a complete fool would want to turn their guns over to a government such as the one we have today. It just shows the extent in which so many Americans have been indoctrinated into thinking guns are evil. This can be blamed on the corporate media and public school system that accounts for the stupidty of so many Americans today. All statistics show that crime goes up with the passage of gun legislation. Don't tell that to the idiot liberals, though, because they know everything.
     
  7. AT98BooBoo

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    Oh horrors! God forbid that people exercise their 2nd Amendment rights in our nation's Capitol. I believe that all parts of the Constitution are of equal importance therefore I believe in gun owners rights.
     
  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    http://blacklistednews.com/?news_id=136


    Supreme Court: No Inalienable Right To Bear Arms
    Published on 27-06-2008

    Source: Rogue Government - Lee Rogers

    Today the U.S. Supreme Court released their ruling on the District of Columbia gun ban case. The court ruled that the Second Amendment did guarantee an individual’s right to bear arms, but also went on to say that the government still has the right to control and regulate firearms. The mainstream press is hailing this as a victory for gun owners and a defeat for anti-American gun control advocates. Unfortunately, this is incredibly misleading spin by the mainstream press as the ruling essentially says that the government still has the authority to implement regulations to control who has access to firearms and who doesn’t. The Second Amendment specifically states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, yet these egghead Supreme Court Justices have gone out of their way to try to redefine what it actually means. Either these Supreme Court Justices can’t read or they have been paid off by the criminals that run the federal government. Not only that, but it is incredibly frightening that the court only ruled 5-4 in favor of the Second Amendment with limitations. The dissenting Justices essentially said that the people don’t have the right to bear arms. It doesn’t get much more insane than this. This is totally unacceptable as the main purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that the people can stand up against a tyrannical government and defend their lives, liberty and property. This ruling is more proof that the establishment is continuing its agenda of disarming the American people so they can setup a global dictatorship of death.

    The following is taken from a Reuters report which summarizes what Justice Antonin Scalia said on behalf of the majority opinion.

    In the majority opinion, Justice Antonin Scalia said the Second Amendment protected an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Although an individual now has a constitutional right to own guns, that new right is not unlimited, wrote Scalia, a hunter.

    He said the ruling should not be taken to cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill or on laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in places like schools and government buildings or laws imposing conditions on gun sales.

    This is proof that Scalia and the other Justices in the majority opinion simply do not have an understanding of the Second Amendment or refuse to interpret it properly. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written so that the vast majority of people could understand them. They were not written so that only lawyers and judges could understand its contents. Let’s take a look at the full text of the Second Amendment.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The words “shall not be infringed” is what is key. The Second Amendment doesn’t say that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed except in certain cases. It doesn’t get anymore clear than this yet Scalia and the majority opinion Justices some how get the impression that the right to bear arms is not unlimited? How can someone make such a statement and be a Supreme Court Justice? This is proof that Scalia and the other Supreme Court Justices in the majority opinion are not competent to hold office and should be removed immediately. The founding fathers were saying that the right to bear arms is an inalienable right. Any regulation of firearms is unconstitutional and the government does not have the authority under the Constitution to dictate who is allowed to bear arms and who doesn’t.

    With that said, the Justices in the minority should also be removed from the bench because according to their interpretation they believe that the Second Amendment doesn’t protect the individual’s right to bear arms. This is of course total idiocy.

    It becomes even more ridiculous when a so called pro-gun lobby like the National Rifle Association claims that this ruling is a victory for gun owners. How is this ruling good for gun owners? The U.S. Supreme Court incorrectly interpreted the Second Amendment to mean that the right to bear arms can be infringed when the language of the Second Amendment indicates that this is totally false. Clearly, this shows how the NRA is a phony gun rights group. They hail this ruling as a victory when it simply isn’t.

    Either way it doesn’t matter. We know what the agenda is and it involves incrementally abolishing the Second Amendment so that the American people can eventually be enslaved to the New World Order. All of the propaganda and lies cannot change the fact that this ruling is contrary to what the Second Amendment says. These Supreme Court Justices should all be removed from the bench for this ruling. It proves that they either can’t read properly or they are corrupt establishment hacks that love being slaves to this coming global dictatorship of evil.
     
  9. BraveSirRubin

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    Hell Matt, even a small victory is a victory, no matter how much spin they put on it.

    The most important factor here is that you can still keep a gun at your house. It's a victory for personal freedom, no matter how you look at it.
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It's not a victory if it subverts the 2nd Amendment, which is an inalienable right to own guns. Now you can own guns, but only as long as the state says you can own them. It's no longer an inalienable right, but a right granted by the state which can also take that right away whenever they choose. So I don't consider this to be a victory at all. The media acts like it is, but that is of course their usual spin and to be expected. I was saying they would do this before the ruling was even made.
     
  11. Ocean Bionic

    Ocean Bionic Hero of the People

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    guys, its only a victory when we shoot them.
     
  12. BraveSirRubin

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    Ehh... the state has always had control over gun ownership. Felons and such are already denied gun ownership.

    They won't deny gun ownership to you for no reason.

    The Supreme Court has always been extremely vague on the 2nd amendment to begin with, so saying that the government gets to control guns is nothing new.

    I really don't see the negative in this... people couldn't own guns and had to suffer through crime in tough neighborhoods... now they can own guns. I consider this a victory, at least for them.
     
  13. Hiptastic

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    Obviously, the zionists at the anti-gun, globalist NRA are just covering up for this massive assault on gun right.

    The constitution says BEAR ARMS, and as long as the globalists at the UN controlled Federal Government tells us we can't own surface to air missiles, land mines and nerve gas, we are living in a gulag worse than anything Stalin ever dreamed up, YOU SHEEPLE JUST CAN'T SEE IT!
     
  14. Number6

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    This ruling by SCOTUS simply proves that those in power are not afraid of an armed citizenry.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    It doesn't surprise me about the timing shortly before an election. I am sure the Republican's will claim credit for it.

    I have no false assumptions that they have not instituted underlying restrictions with this resolution. But I think they may find it hard to unarm by force citizens now given the green light to arm themselves to the hilt.
     
  16. memo

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    You mean the Supreme Court is actually obeying the constitution for once instead of trampling over it? Has hell frozen over?
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    How are they obeying the Constitution when we are talking inalienable rights being substituted with individual rights granted by the state which can also take those rights away? This is in complete violation to what's outlined in the Constitution, which are god-given rights that cannot be taken away. Now you can own guns, but only because the state says you can own them -- not because it's an inalienable right.
     
  18. memo

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    What
     
  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The Constitution has to do with inalienable rights, which are god-given rights -- not rights granted by the state. Unlike rights granted by the state, inalienable rights cannot be taken away. You are born with these rights. The Supreme Court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment is no longer an inalienable, god-given right, but rather an individual right granted by the state, which can also take that right away. In other words, you can own guns, but only because they say you can own them. That is in direct contradiction to what the 2nd Amendment states.

    Do you understand what I am saying?
     
  20. neodude1212

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    how exactly is it determined that something is "no longer" a god-given right?
     

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