The Ultimate Truth

Descartes exclamed, "I think therefor I am!". But how do you account for over 6 billion other bodys on our planet? The only logical proof you can come to is that each person is simple a multiple personality of yourself. "Friends" are personalities of ourself that we are compatible. "Enemies" are just the opposite. We are a hub mind looking out onto nothing but ourselves.

 

i agree with that, i also reckon that i am just a jigsaw puzzle of every single person i have met and everything i have seen or heard. every moment in your life has an impact on u, it influences u and creates u. which i think is the same kinda thing u r saying???
beyond the constraints of reality, where all beings unite as one, where we all reside on the tree of life a huge mass of energies, we are unable to be individuals, to have our own mind. so i guess descrates is saying that reality is having a mind, thinking, making sense of something, feeling living. so yeah, 'i think therefore i am' has a lot of significance for me

 

That is a very interesting way of looking at things.

I can't say I agree with it in nature, but I think society would all be a lot better off if we treated other people as if they were different selves.

 

Umm... I can't say I agree with that. You're dealing with the problem of solipsism, which I think is best refuted by G.E. Moore's "A Defense of Common Sense." You're looking at the problem wrong, getting tripped up in abstraction and confused by your own language. To say that everyone is just a mind within some bigger supermind, seems to violate the Law of Indiscernables to me. But even if it doesn't, your going to inevitably be stuck, I think, in an idealist metaphysics.

Btw, if that's a logical proof, then I'd like to see the deduction.

 

the other 6 billion bodies are thinking therefor aming.

 

Define "aming". Unless of course it was a typo and you meant to say "among".

 

not sure ... but perhaps that was am'ing

I think, therefore I am ...

The other 6 billion bodies are thinking ... therefore am'ing

Darrell

 

You think, therefore you are. They think, therefore they are.

 

Is it a foreign word, because it's not an english word?

 

I think therefore I am, they think therefore they are (am being are merely in the wrong case.)

 

no, i was just being a silly goose.

 

But am and are are the same.

 

I think therefore God exists.

The fact that you exist proves that God exists.
The fact that people exist is proof that God exists.
First of all we have the bible as proof that God exists. We have endless prophecies that have come true in the bible to prove that God exists. We have the universe around us to prove that God exists. I have a personal relationship with God that you can have also if you wish, proving to me that God exists. We have The law of conservation of mass and energy:

There is a scientific law called the Law of Conservation of Mass, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in 1785. In its most compact form, it states:

matter is neither created nor destroyed.

In 1842, Julius Robert Mayer discovered the Law of Conservation of Energy. In its most compact form, it it now called the First Law of Thermodynamics:

energy is neither created nor destroyed.

In 1907 (I think), Albert Einstein announced his discovery of the equation E = mc2 and, as a consequence, the two laws above were merged into the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy:

the total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant.

If matter can not be created, then where did all of the matter in the universe come from? Did it create it's self? I believe that an all powerful God, (the God of the bible) created it out of nothing as the bible says. How would the writers of the bible know the law of conservation of energy when it was written 3-4,000 years ago? They didn't. God told them what to write.

God exists make no mistake about it. miracles are proof that God exists. I have experienced numerous miracles in my life, that could only have originated from God Himself.

The fact that people are delivered from demonic possession is proof that God exists.

The fact that God has changed my life so radically when I followed His Word is proof that God exists.

The fact that people exist is proof that God exists.

Think about this. You are concious. Look around you. Go on...do it. Now close your eyes and remember before you were born, what were you? You see nothing but blank. Now look around you again. You are alive, not just a functioning body, but you are literally here, conciously. That is proof that God exists. He created you, he put your conciousness (soul) into a physical body that your soul controls. A computer has no soul. A machine has no soul, yet it performs tasks. We are concious. Praise God that He Does indeed exist.

 

Prove it.

 

That's not entirely true. At the quantum level, matter is constantly popping into existance from "nowhere", but it is always destroyed nearly instantly because with it pops an "anti-particle" that when they meet, they destroy each other. BUT, if this occurs at the edge of a black hole, right at the event horizon, the antiparticle may get trapped by the gravity of the black hole while the particle escapes. This is just one example where the rules bend a bit on that law. There are many strange things happening at the quantum level which are only just being discovered and understood.

Inflationary Theory is based on a similar principle. An "inverted vacuum" pops into existance and creates the universe as it expands (it's called an inverted vacuum because rather than contract, it expands). As it expands, energy is created, which later becomes matter. (there's more to it, of course, but you can research that on your own)

You may not accept this theory (it's one of many on the universe's origins out there) but you seem like an intelligent person, so I thought you'd want to be informed.

 

frodo shut the fuck up. seriously

 

christians have no valid logic whatsoever. open your eyes and look around this is proof there is a god? what bullshit.

none of your statements would ever be considered "proof" as you continually stated. take your senseless preaching elsewhere.

and the fact that your life has been so radically changed by God is only proof that youre incredibly weak minded.

 

Wow, your ignorance humours me. Colours, how about you list some "proof" that there isn't a God? No offense, but you are quite asinine. ANd if you start frothing more (because it seems you have already started), I have a napkin that you can wipe yourself with.

 

If you're going to postulate that a being exists, then the burden of proof is with you. But how did this turn into an argument about God, what's that got to do with the original post? And I'd still like to know your proof that all thinking subjects are merely parts of a larger thiniking subject.

 

Only God can prove God's existence to someone. However, if someone doesn't believe in God now, later on the christians get to say "I told you so", which is always fun to do. That's why I say "God Exists and is awesome" to all you morons out there, just so I can say "I told you so" later. It's not like I am the one to prove God's existence to you, I am a man, God will prove God's existence to you in time. I do reserve my God given right to say "I told you so."