Theory on research chemicals

This is just some idea that popped into my head while I was stoned.

But I was looking up the 2c's on the internet. These things are called research chemicals, but no use for these drugs aside from recreation has been discovered. So what's to research?

My theory, is that the chemicals are not the subject of research. The people who synthesized these chemicals, from my limited understanding all came from the same general era of LSD and the boom of psychedelics in popular culture.

My theory is that these chemicals were never the subject of research, they are just the control. What is being researched is the effect of different types of psychedelics being released into the public during different phases of society.

These things were invented decades and decades ago, right? But they haven't been available or even known to the public until relatively recently. What's the reason for that?

Ima go smoke more weed.

 

Alexander shulgin synthesized the majority of them, especially in the 2c series. All the 2c's were I would say at least a generation (about 20 years) after research into the main psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline) took place. There was some legitamate research done with some of the chemicals he explored (mdma) but some like 2cb were always for recreation ( it was sold as an aphrodisiac in sex shops when it was legal.) I know shulgin was interested in finding a more streamlined twist on MDMA that had less negative side effects.

When shulgin released pikhal and later tikhal which contains synthesis and effects of all these drugs, the dea was all over him and made him turn in his liscense to work with these chemicals, so any potential legitamate research that may have taken place from him and fellow scientists was halted. There is current research being done in the u.k. Into the effects of mephedrone although no plans to integrate it or similar chemicals into medicines to my knowledge.

To say no research to any of these chemicals has been done would be false. I view LSD just as much as a research chemical as most of these drugs, it was just made 40 years prior to the bulk of them and had a 20 year head start in terms of legitimate research.

 

AMT and AET were both used in small doses as antidepressants in the Soviet Union in the 60's, if I'm remembering correctly. That's pretty interesting.

 

a society is always looking for something to alter is citizens.. Where when psychiatry turned it into some weird vooodoo witch doctors using chemicals the dull humans, others wouldnt be far to follow on the expansion..Its always been this way, Our mind expansion keeps the world going round.. Only thing is, with abundant mind expansion we cross universes life and time giving parameters faster than the other minds can catch up, thus confusing weak minded people..

The human body isnt much more than a molecule collecting device, the thing is what molecules should you collect?
people have a limited understanding whats in a candy bar... let alone modern drugs..
there is a time to every season under the heavens..

 

Very cool man :cheers2:

 

I always took 'research chemical' as a euphemism for quasi-legal drugs.

 

I always thought of RC as a cola.

 

They are research chemicals because they are experimental plant/bamboo foods. Duh.

I haven't actually given any to my plants yet because the stuff seems to just go directly down my throat whenever I'm in contact with it, but I will keep y'all posted when my lucky bamboo starts tripping balls.

 

'Research' is just to cover the vendors ass, otherwise it would be illegal as an anaologue for human consumption.

 

I think the internet has made RC's what they are today. most have been out for at least 20+ years, but how long has the internet been really big? internet was started in the 70's, gaining motion in the 80's, became popular in the 90's and now everyone has it in the 21st century. When did the RC markey start to pop up? early 90's. a connection? I personally think so.

 

It's no secret that most RC distribution is done through the internet.

Just like 5 years ago they were still called "legal highs"...

 

^ operation web tryp was in 04 which put most of the companies out of buisness, you are making me feel old. But yes they have gone through a series of names, I dont remember the research chemicals ever being referred to as "legal highs" but certainly some were referred to as "designer drugs." I think even in 03 when I first bought 2ce it was still sold as a research chemical it just didn't have the 'not for human consumption' warnings and all that.

Research chemicals is alot more professional sounding than designer drug.

 

Eh, someone is sitting on the other end of that box watching us for some reason. This much I know.

 

They are just watching you especially after you bitched about starbucks.

 

Yea, I had no "not for human consumption" BS when I was ordering 5-meo-amt and 5-meo-dmt back in 02-03. Then Op Web Tryp happened and I stopped ordering shit till recently.

 

I wasn't into RCs until last year, but I do sorta remember 2C-I being sold as 'party pills' on one website. Check out some old Erowid reports, it definetely wasn't so underground before Web Tryp.

 

I just remember you could pretty much type In the name of the chemical on a google search and the suppliers would pop up. I'm pretty sure I bought my stuff from American chemical supply or something which still had a professional look to it. There was no marketing like 'party pill' from places I checked nor was there anything saying to be used strictly for research.

Maybe a few years prior they had the marketing but whenever that person od'd on 2ct7 they may have toned it down a notch.

 

OK people, let's get back to the realm of reality here.
First, yes Shulgin did develop most all the chemicals known as RC's in the period from the mid 60's through the 80's. Except MDA, that was developed in the 1880's I believe, Shulgin just revisited it and came up with MDMA. During that time they were just research that Shulgin was doing and it was being done in conjunction with the DEA as he was a consultant and expert for them. Then as guerillabedlam already said, the DEA pulled his license to handle scheduled substances and started taking steps to confiscate his research. That is when and why Shulgin published his books outlining all these and the already well known psychedelic substances. He did it to prevent these RC's from being buried by the DEA and once he publicly made them known as well as providing the basics of their production there was nothing the DEA could do about it.
As far as the timing and the internet, politics, blah,blah, other random shit like the OP mentioned, had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the sudden emergence of RC's on the world scene.
It had everything to do with the fact of when Shulgin published his books, in the early-mid 90's, coincidentally the same period of time when the internet was growing exponentially and becoming more of a household norm.

No magical synergistic occurrences or fantastic explanations needed. It was all just a simple matter of Shulgin not wanting these substances to get buried by the DEA.

 

Thanks for the good reply.

 

As stated, they are just called research chemicals to cover the vendors ass.

But in my personal opinion, as to what there is/was to research, just synthesizing a bunch of compounds that are psychoactive was plenty of research.

I think there's a possibility that many of Shulgin's compounds have a potential to be legitimatley used for research, but that has been buried by the fact that they are sold for recreational purposes.

The other day I was thinking about 2c-e, and I was wondering if it may be able to have some impact on over-eating. Personally, I always feel very disconnected from my GI and eating is something that's hard to do, even if I do feel like eating.

I don't think we should be so quick to shoot down the possibility that these chemicals could be used for legitimate purposes.

(Sorry for the rambling response )