To take LSD with your kid or not?

Here is a question witch is in my mind for quite some time. I know plenty of you guys don't have kids, but what do you think about the subject. My kid is still small (4 years) and she notices the difference when me and my wife take acid, she feels the energy and she wants to be with us all the time. It is not that we are freaking out because of her, on the contrary, we show her how to feel the energy, how to love the nature, to feel the vibrations and so on, and she is so happy. We are also! When we don't take it for some time, she asks us when are we going to get drunk again (we told her that we were drinking and that we are drunk, just so she doesn't tell at school that her parents are using LSD). So, for now there is no problem, but what when she grows up a little bit more, when she is 16 or something? I know that we need to explain to her all about drugs and all of that, but, a question, should be there a line that parents should not cross, or is it better that all of us trip together? I still don't know the answer, because I don't have all the facts that I will have than, but still, what do you guys think?

 

Thats a really tough choice for anyone to make but, for some reason I don't think I could do it.

 

Why?
I am not saying you are right or wrong, i would just like to know why?

 

i would pull my kid out of school so that i wouldnt feel the need to lie to her.


well... honestly i would never put my kid in school. i would teach them myself until they are old enough to go to high school or college if they wanted to.

it is never ok to lie to your children. i am sure she will understand when she is older why you were not honest with her but she will also understand how easy it is for her parents to tell her a lie when they feel it is in her best interest. what i am getting at is that you are setting a bad example. when she is older and doing something that you guys might not approve of she will probably hide it from you for your own good just like you taught her was ok to do. ya see, what you are doing is teaching your child that it is ok to lie if you have a good reason when the truth is that it is never a good idea to lie to someone you love. there is never a good reason to lie to family.

i think it is great that you have her around when you are tripping and that she is kind of tripping with you without taking any. i think that is a wonderful way to be.

but lying to your children. i dont care what your reasons are - you are so very wrong. nothing that cant be fixed later i am sure but nonetheless i am worried for your family love and closeness.

 

you should never introduce lsd to your kids...don't even mention it....if they discover it on their own later in life and bring it up, then tell them, but i don't care how good your intentions are, it would be irresponsible to bring lsd into their lives.

 

To be honest i can't see the problem with talking to your child when she is a lot older about lsd depending on the type of person she grows up to be....My best mates mum and dad used to take acid around her when she was a small child and she didn't know...they stopped taking when she was of an age to understand more around her but they were open with her about their roots...

When my friend came to lsd herself through her own means she took her first tabs and her mums house with her brother with her mum present...and when i wanted to try lsd for the first time her mum allowed us both to take it in the house while she was there (not with her her mum didnt take it with us) because she realized we were going to take it regardless and doing it at her house offered us a safe environment to take it in.

 

I would just say you are taking LSD. Then wait for them to ask and take up the curiosity.

Really, just knowing their parents like LSD will be enough to get them drawn to it.
Plus, it's in elementary school that they start anti-drug programs and say that LSD is completely evil. Like really, I still remember glimpses of those classes. It takes a long time to recover from the extremely forceful and harsh amount of meta-programming they put into kids at that age. If your child knew her parents did LSD in the manner they did, then such meta-programming may have no effect on her. Which would let her keep screwy metaphor out of her head, but that also may disconnect your kid from the reality tunnel of the other school children. Making her feel disconnected. Of course though, it may make her feel enlightened among the other school children which could open up a whole new door.

Of course though, at that age kids like to be quite facetious to school authority. Raises hand, "But DARE officer, my parents take LSD like every month and have been for years". Oh man, that single statement would corrupt an entire class of students by conservative perspective. Although, they do teach children in those programs that they have a RIGHT to feel better than those that do drugs. Really, I'm not joking. I remember in middle school if someone brought up any likeness to drug at all, every other child then takes it as a reason for why they are better than that person and makes it very apparent in their actions.

That is a really hard dillemna. Can your child deal with the current insanity known as the drug controversy? Or do you just let her play along in their reality tunnel?

I guess it's a question of, how much do you trust in psychadellics and how much do you value the typical schooling reality tunnel? They will fight each other in her mind. Or maybe she'll be able to conjoin them? I dunno, you prolly have a far better intuition on this than me.

At 21, kids are still a long way for me. But I've actually thought about this quite a bit and think that, I would definanetly home school mine. But then enroll them in alot of classes, extracurricular things, how to bake, drawing etc. Or holistic education. Somewhere that they aren't going to subjected to the old meta-programmings and reality tunnels as though there is something dysfunctional in them if they don't follow.

This subject actually opens a new thought for me. I would be very curious to know what you psychedelic parents think of what the education system does to your kids. Because from my current perspective, I feel it's probably the most ghoulish thing currently accepted. It plays off the insecurities, worries and impressionable aspects of children to make some feel worse and some become the 'star student of all' that everyone else should follow after. And many people don't recover from that mentality, they never get to see past it, psychedelics typically do let them if they get to them. But still I have friends about to graduate from college who still fear psychedelics and still exist in the reality tunnel that was largely designed for them in elementary school. And they STILL haven't risen to 'star student of all', or any state they deem -perfect-. They feel thats what your supposed to do. That feeling -perfect- is being a loser, your supposed to bounce around between paranoia, anxiousness, worry, regret so you keep playing in the karmic circles known as 'education'. I mean I have one friend for example who talks about his attainment of sublime feelings, like psychadellia is a completely useless side-affair to the 'real thing', but his 'sublime feelings' were a number of isolated experiences. Then when I notion human beings are supposed to live in a permanent state of sublimity, he thinks I'm crazy. I try to explain to them concepts like meta-programming and hint to psychadellia every chance I can see an opening. But it's a constant game for me between balancing there introduction to the potentiality of new reality tunnels while not insulting there old ones too much. Of course though, people like that still think holding onto their old reality tunnels while insulting newly developed ones is OK. But I guess you can't blame them for that if they've never seen the other side.

sorry typed a bit too much there. But that whole aspect of my life still confuses me a bit. I still can't figure if I wanna go finish college. It just feels wrong to give any money to supporting whats known in america as 'education'.

One thing is for sure in my mind about education though. The sooner the child can start utilizing the internet, the better. The internet is the single most pertinent thing for the education of new generations I think.

 

I think its awesome that you trip with your kid, thats the best thing I've heard all day, and its also a good experiment for others to learn from. It obviously shows how LSD can transmit effects from person to person, as I've seen in many instances. The more open-minded the person, the more effects they will get from those who are tripping. Who is more open-minded than a child? No one.


On the same topic, does anyone else notice pets/ animals acting goofy/ just different when around person(s) who are tripping? My dog acts completely different around me when I'm tripping, she tends to act like I'm acting. If I'm really energetic and rambuncious, she'll act really playful, but if I'm calm and meditative, she'll join me in my place of rest and become very relaxed, often times helping me to relax more wierd. Isolated phenomenon or wonderful creation of God?

 

I feel like my cat is always like that. But I didn't quite notice till LSD.

 

i took acid with my parents once on my 17th bday. i ate shrooms with my mums best friend one time as well. my mum tripped me out coz she looked like proud i was on acid i dunno?? lol just tripped me out. i really think i would be dispointed if i never did it tho. its a bond that linked us in a way probably not the best parenting by any means but it never fucked me up at all and its a great memory ill always have.

 

well having kids old enough to trip,, an bein one that doesnt mind the ocasasional dose.. theres no way id even consider dosin with my kids.. thats not to say i wouldnt dose around them,, i just wouldnt wanna dose with them..

i dunno,it is just creepy to me.. dont get me wrong we are pretty openminded parents,,but i dont think either of us would want to trip with the youngins...

 

Yeah the animal brain works like that. They reflect the actions of there owners. I trip with my cat all the time. She teaches me things that I would have never came to seeing without her.

 

Hmm amazing... Let science try to explain that one bwahaha. Score one for religion

 

I want u guys as my parents!

 

But we are, we are all one big Psychedelic Family!

 

What kind of education she gets from family will be with her whole life. I don't see telling her now at 4 years of age " you know my darling mum and dad are doing lsd/acid" would make any difference in her tought process. But if she knows that and says it in the school she will become "labeled" child and that could take her out of the school reality tunnel. So in my opinion it's better to stay unsaid until she is big enough to understand and balance the both worlds.

The tought of home schooling was with me for some time but the schools are good for teaching them acb and some general stuff which you honestly don't have so much time to spend on doing it. You as a parent are supposed to teach them about real values in life like love, respect, honesty, courage.... And that's the basic of everything. Another good point of schools are socializing. It wouldn't be right for me to choose friends for my daughter. Unortunatly in Afrika you live in a house with huge wall around it and electric fence so there is no space for kids to go out on the street and play with the kids from neighbours. So I see school as a great place where she can learn some socializing skills which she will use later in life also. And when she comes home we talk and than you see what "damage" is done that day and you find a way to better explain it and undo any wrong tought processes.

To be a star in the school? Not really important at all. As long as your child knows that it's loved no matter what and that it will always be a star for you they are than full of self confidence and generally doing very well in any field ot life. But that should't be obsessive, if something was done wrong it was done wrong and in that case you don't praise your child you explain why that was not ok. Let me give you an example: One day she came from school and she opened bag showing me proudly how she stole a toy from school and nobody saw it. Than without any shouting you explain to kid that the toys in the school are there for everykid to play not just her and taking them wthout asking first is not nice. I made her tomorrow to take the toy back to school and appologize to teacher about taking it without asking. In the same time I told her to ask teacher if she asks for the toy can she bring it home. And the teacher said yes as long as she bring it back next day and take care of it not to brake it so others can play with it too. And you see without making it a big thing or putting any shame on you as a parent or a kid you sort out things nicely.

Taking LSD with her? I'm not sure I can do that cause I still believe that parents should be some kind of authority in order to prepare them for the world, but most probably I would do the same thing like that mum and let them be safe and take it while we are around and be there if they have any questions or doubts but not being in their face ofcourse. But I might be wrong and I'm still not in that position to know the right answer.

It's wonderful having them. Everything you know and you believe once you have kid is questioned even deeper. And they teach you, they teach you how to love and give yourself completly without asking for anything in return. And they question you constanty. I'll give you few questions that I had to work out and still stay honest to my kid: "Why do I have to go to school?", "Why I am sharing always and some kids don't want to share with me?", "Why they ask me to color orange beek and feet of the duck. Why I can't use the colors I want?" And you must be careful what you answer and still stay completly honest with them. The worst thing you can do is not have time for that answer and say: "I don't know. Stop bothering me with that question."

I noticed about the animals behaviour. If I am so energetic and jumpy my cats would go mad and run around and play. And everytime we are tripping they come and spend that time with us always. They are like little kids also. Except there is just transfer of emotions between you and them without any questioning.

 

Thank you guys for your thoughts, this thread actually had more points of view than I expected and that is not reason for you to stop writing, just go on.
As I said before, I don't know how I will act when my daughter is 16, but thinking now, this is how it looks like. All depends on how she develops and if we as a parents teach her how to think with her own head, to respect her responsibilities, there is no reason for us not to talk about everything, why not even dosing together. But that depends on only one thing, if she knows on her own what are her duties and responsibilities (at that time school, homeworks, exams..) and fullfill them without us needed to interfere. Why I am saying this? Because, kids need some kind of authority, something witch will teach them and force them to finish their obligations. If you let them to decide that they don't want this or that when they are not capable of understanding how much that thing will affect their later life, when they have family and kinds, than you as a parent failed to lead your child up to the point when you can say yes, you can live independently your life now and I don't need to warry. If you start dosing with them before that point, and kid did not get the habit to finish their duties, you loose the authority and nobody can return that kid to a right way. I know psychedelics are beautifull and they develop whole new idea of how to live your life, we still live in society and without education,job, house........... you can hardly fit in to society, and if you can't fit, you are removed. Obviously, you don't want your kid locked in the institution just because he refuses to do regular job and pay its bills. I am also working, and having very responsible job, but I am still dosing, and I am dosing well, not just one little hit and bla bla, I am dosing very well!!! But I will never let dosing ruin my job, position in society and all the respect I have. Because if that happens, I will not be able to support my family and be independant and freeminded like I am now. So, what I am trying to say? If my kid learns to put her duties in front of fun and drugs, there is no reason for me to forbid or not to talk or even dose with her, but if I see that she will fail to finish school because she is dosing, obviously I need to use some authority and try to put her back on the right track, because today it is school, tomorrow she will get fired, or even forget to feed her own kid because she is dosed. You know what I mean? I guess there will be here somebody to ask me how do I know what is a right track for her? Don't even go there, you obviously want the best for your kid, and you don't want your kid just to become some drugie and to go over everybody just to get the dose. If you really want to be honest with your kid, you need to teach them to USE the drugs not ABUSE them, and part of using them is to be still responsible for your actions and fullfill your obligations.
About that, that kids are open minded, that is so true! And we as a parents, we are trying our best to keep her mind open. In the preschool that she is going, they are already trying to teach her comon bullshit that closes your mind, but that is why we are constantly asking what is happening in school and what they are teaching her, so we can explain to her that in school they are asking her to do this that way, but always explain her that on other way so she keeps her mind open about those things. All the teachers are saying that she is extra smart kid and they all have only good things to say about her. But I know that she is not extra smart, she just have open mind and sometimes at the age of 4 she is manipulating the teachers on the way that they don't even know what she did to them. But again, we are teaching her never to use those skills just for funn or to hurt somebody. We are also teaching her to forgive others and to teach them other way, the way of sharing and love. Like for example, one day she came from school and said that one boy didn't want to give her sweetes and that she will never give some to him. We immidiately told her that she must give it to him and maybe he will understand that he was wrong, that tomorrow maybe he won't have and that sharing is always the best. And she understood that very well. What can I say, when she got just 3 sweetes left, she always comes and gives one to me, one to my wife and she takes one. There is no way that you can refuse her, as she is saying that those are the last ones and she can only enjoy them if she shares them with us. How many 4 year old kids would do that? So, if she continue to develop like this, there is nothing I want to keep secret between us!

Animals, they do feel everything also, they feel vibrations of your mind and according to that they are acting differently. Once, on the trance party, happening around the small bay, there were about 200-300 people and music was blasting. At some point, dolphins came in to the bay and stayed there for the whole party. Around 3:00 am, an Impala buck came from the woods and started walking between the people, where music was blasting and people dancing. It was such a devine moment! Do I need to mention that everybody on the party was heavilly dosed with acid?!?

 

well i think when the time comes you may find that it just crosses the parent child boundaries,, i kinda put it with watching porn with your kid..

once again,,i may give them a porno to enjoy,,but im not watchin with them..

maybe im old fashioned and believe diffrently about parenting,,an perhaps when my kids are well into adulthood i may change my mind.. as of now with 3 ages, 19,17,an 14,,

it just crosses parental boundaries..

 

Maybe you are right, maybe that parental boundary should always exist untill they are well into adulthood.

 

Then I'm old fashioned too . At least teenager years should pass by and I don't see beyond that right now. What you are doing is what I would do also.