Trayvon

So, from the beginning the media was portraying the shooter, George Zimmerman, to be some white racist that shot the kid simply because he was black. Of course the guy turned out to not even be "white" (by most people's standards anyway), but rather Hispanic. The guy has black family and friends, so if he's racist then that would seem rather strange.

Then they portray this kid Trayvon to be some sort of angel, showing only his picture from YEARS ago when he was maybe 13 or 14. In reality, he is actually 17, a football player, and taller than Zimmerman. His Facebook pictures show that not only was the kid not the fresh-faced angel the media has been portraying him as, but a wannabe gang-banger with a history of delinquency. The media never showed these pictures until they had to, nor did they reveal (until they had to) information regarding Trayvon's past disciplinary record from school.

Don't get me wrong, it is sad that it went down this way, but young black men are being shot and killed every day in scores by people of their own color. So where is the outcry over the black-on-black violence that occurs daily in this country? Furthermore, when there is a black-on-white crime, the media won't touch it. When it's the other way around, all hell breaks lose and everyone has to get all emotional and angry.

Zimmerman claims he was acting in self-defense, and I believe this based on eyewitness reports that have emerged in recent days. Zimmerman's friend (who is black) has went on record that it was Zimmerman's voice heard on the 911 tapes, and eyewitnesses claim that it was Zimmerman -- not Trayvon -- on the ground. He was being beaten by Trayvon and yelling for help. Zimmerman claims he pulled the trigger when Trayvon went to reach for his gun, out of fear for his own life.

So regardless of what you think went down or who is responsible, how is it responsible or even acceptable for the media (and that fucking idiot Obama... and Jesse Jackson, "Rev." Al Sharpton and all these other hucksters) to feed into this racial hysteria before the full story was even revealed about exactly what happened? This Zimmerman guy and his family are in hiding now over death threats based on bogus nonsense promulgated by the media. So far we still don't even know the full story, and probably won't for at least a couple weeks.

It's scary, because they've got the black community all hyped up (manipulated) over this shit, and they're demanding this guy be arrested. What do you think will happen if he's NOT arrested (because there is no evidence that shows any wrongdoing on his part), or is arrested, tried and found not guilty?

It will certainly be interesting to see how this charade plays out, but anyone who's falling for it is being played like a fiddle.

 

he fucking killed someone. he should be arrested, and tried. if he's found not guilty, fine...but isn't that how it's supposed to work?

what about how zimmerman was following trayvon? do you not believe that bit either? if that's how it was, then trayvon had the right to "stand his ground" against the sketchy dude with a gun that was following him.

 

Yes, Zimmerman SAYS he was acting in self-defense; but, what about how he was tailing Trayvon in a car and the unarmed 17 yr old was talking on his phone telling how he was being followed?

AND self-defense from what? A bottle of tea? If a grown man 100 pounds heavier than a 17 yr old is getting his butt whipped, so what???!!!! I still don't know that I believe that it was Zimmerman on the ground...but IF that is true, since when is it OK to just shoot somebody because they can whip your ass?!?

It was said that Trayvon was shot once in the back and twice in the front. Has anyone else heard that? Since when is shooting someone in the BACK self-defense...oh yeah, since Trayvon was reaching for that tea?

I think this is a travesty...and I furthurmore think if it were the other way around, that 17 yr old would have been put in jail pronto, and he would still be there.
Just because this is a white/hispanic man does NOT mean this was not a racially motivated kill. Down south here, I know ppl that use that horrible n word (I do NOT), and these same ppl pretend to like their black "friends". So I'm not interested in hearing all about how Zimmerman "just couldn't be prejudiced" because he has a black friend or 2 in the neighborhood.
This whole situation just makes me sick.

 

What caused Tray to attack Zim? Did Zim provock/harass Tray?

 

So he was supposed to let the kid who was on top of him just go for his gun?

Also, how did Zimmerman sustain the injuries he did -- a broken nose and a gash on his forehead?

No, there are no reports of Trayvon being shot in the back of the head. There are reports of a wound on the back of Zimmerman's head, however.

 

Also, this isn't about Zimmerman being in the right or wrong. It's how the race issue is being played by the media when Zimmerman himself is a minority.

It was his job to monitor the area for suspicious activity. The details are still not all known yet, but there could have been a legitimate reason for him following Trayvon.... other than the fact that he was "black." The fact he dressed like a thug might have had something to do with it.

 

White people do shoot black people all the time too, bringing that up completely misses the point, which is the investigation was fucked up and the guy wasn't charged. Self defense is a defense in a murder trial, and when it's claimed usually the prosecution has to disprove it, (Prove that is was not self defense.) They didn't do that, they didn't follow proper protocol, which means they didn't collect evidence, including his gun which he walked away with.

From my understanding of what the guy claims, he called 911 on a kid walking home, the 911 operator told him not to peruse him, and at some point he got out of his car to physically confront the boy.

Trayvon who was on the phone with his girlfriend, told her he was being followed by someone, and said he was trying to get away.

There was some sort of altercation after Zimmerman hunted Trayvon down, and he ended up getting beaten up, so he pulled out his gun and shot the kid.

Now from my eyes, there are good reasons you can't just pick a bar fight, get your ass kicked, shoot the guy and walk away clean. Nobody really knows what happened, and the main reason for that is the police didn't follow protocol, and that's what pisses people off.

 

I think the reason race is brought up is that it gives people a way to understand why the police department didn't investigate enough to collect physical evidence of a death.

Why wasn't it investigated? Because it was a white guy shooting a black guy. (Blah blah his mom was Peruvian)

That's an easy way to understand it, and rightfully it pisses people off. Maybe theres a different explanation, like the Florida police department is incompetent and Florida has fucked up laws, but that'd piss people off too.

I don't really know what happened, nobody does, but it just tastes bad.

 

Another issue they (the media) is bringing up now is how Trayvon MUST have been into something because he was recently suspended from school because of an empty baggie with marijuana "residue" (I seriously heard this on the news) in it. Puhhhleeez. EMPTY baggie with residue...now we'll never even know if it was his baggie, or a "friend's" he was given.

I know of a circumstance in a school where a teen guilty of having had pot in a baggie handed it off to someone that they "knew" it wouldn't be found on - but it WAS...so, in that, I'm just saying this big ole' mess about the kid having an empty pot baggie is another thing being brought up. And it is inane because having smoked pot has NOTHING to do with getting killed! Not that I can see. Maybe I just don't get it.

It showed Trayvon's mother on the TV yesterday and I felt so for her. But, Pressed Rat...you are right about Rev Jessie. I wish he would just shut up. Him adding his .02 in there, along with Al S, well...it's not going to help anything.

It's been a month now...with all the special reenactment ppl and studies, and etc, why in the hell have they NOT figured out exactly what happened? I understand it takes more than the hour CSI can do it in - but a month. C'mon now.

And I don't understand why you refer to Trayvon having access to a gun, Pressed Rat...are you referring to the fight (I still don't understand) and him getting access to Zimmerman's gun during the fight? Because, otherwise, that kid was unarmed. That is what makes this whole thing so shitty and wrong.

 

No, they didn't give him orders not to pursue Trayvon. The dispatcher said "You don't need to do that." But you're right, because he shouldn't have done something that had the potential to create the situation it in fact did. What the dispatcher told him probably would not hold up in court, though, because he never ordered him not to follow Trayvon. Sounds like you're just buying the media's spin instead of looking at the facts.

Bullshit. Wrong. If someone breaks into your house, armed or unarmed, and you shoot them, you're not going to be arrested and charged. Zimmerman hasn't been charged, probably because of fact he had been beaten and bloodied, and numerous eyewitnesses reported that a person in a red shirt (the color shirt Zimmerman was wearing that night) was on the ground being beaten. This would indicate that Trayvon was the aggressor.

Also, bullshit on the "fact" that white people are always shooting blacks. Police, maybe. Maybe sometimes it's justified and sometimes it isn't (I am no fan of the police, of course). But by and large, if an act of violence is perpetrated by a black person against a white person, you never hear about it. If it's the other way around, then the coverage is endless.

 

He had Zimmerman on the ground. In such a precarious position, Trayvon could have easily grabbed Zimmerman's gun from his belt and shot Zimmerman. Zimmerman probably reacted out of fear for his own life -- not because the Hispanic guy wanted to kill a black kid because he hates black people.

Also, I don't give a fuck about the pot. He has gotten into trouble for a number of other things, too: fighting, vandalism, possession of a stolen instrument, etc. Plus his Facebook pictures show he is anything but a "good kid." He looks like your typical ghetto wannabe thug gang-banger, complete with a grill. Far different than the pictures the media keeps showing of an innocent looking 13 yr. old.

But don't expect the media to mention any of that on the nightly news (though it's readily mentioned in news articles).

 

exactly my view on this situation.

 

I didn't say ordered, I don't believe a 911 operator can't order you to do anything. She could suggest the law however, which didn't give Zimmerman a right to peruse a person.

I believe inside a home is castle doctrine, and they wouldn't arrest you in Florida in the case of a break in most cases. Self defense is different outside the home, and in Florida there's a stand your ground law which I don't believe lets you peruse a stranger on the street, pick a fight with them, (which he was doing by chasing the kid down) and then shoot them after getting hit a few times.

But there's no chance of a proper investigation now because the police fucked up and didn't collect evidence.

If what happened was legal, then I think it points to something wrong with the law in Florida. But since the CSI team was able to determine it was self defense without any sort of collection of evidence and because some guy was bleeding, then I think yeah, that's a problem.

And what's with the deal at the end. You sound like Sean Hannity blaming the liberal media. I think whatever happened, this wasn't investigated properly , and that's why all the investigators are being forced to step down.

 

You mean people like you? It would seem that you some how a monopoly on the "facts" on this case that no one else has, or maybe its that your opinions rains supreme over everyone else. By all means, please share your sources I would love to read through them. More than likely they are no more credible than any other "liberal" source.

 

Zimmerman was acting outside the law and should be arrested. Being on a neighborhood watch does not give someone the right to follow and confront someone because they find them to be suspicious. If I had someone following me acting shady the whole time and then that someone confronted me I would probably beat the shit out of them as well. And the total incompetence shown by the local cops is a crime in itself and should be investigated.

 

I worked in armed security :and Im sorry, I refuse to shoot someone over property. Its property. It can be replaced.. The shitty office building widows, computers, tvset, petty cash.. There aint no way youre going to get me hemmed up in a criminal case over some bullshit in a bag..

the other thing is, I dont give a fuck about this case. A Civilian shoots someone else. Who fucking cares.. Black Civilians shoot each other everyday,.. !!!!EVERYDAY!!!

 

About half of the guys on my Facebook friends list have pictures of them trying to act "gangsta".

It's just a thing people do jokingly.

Also, while Zimmerman was shorter than Martin, he was much heavier and stronger. Zimmerman's race DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is that he saw a black kid wearing a hoodie and thought "Oh, he's probably up to trouble! Better shoot him in the face!"

The black-on-black violence is due to things like gang wars, which happen for the same reasons any other armed conflicts happen -- Pressure builds up and needs to be released somehow. This is different, this is a clear case of racial profiling.

I don't get why people like the OP are convinced that everyone is out to "get" white people. It's the worst type of paranoia.

"B'AWW, YOU GUYS. PEOPLE ARE RACIST TO ME SOMETIMES. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A HUGE DOUBLE-STANDARD, B'AWW. I'M GONNA DROWN MY SORROWS IN MY CHAI LATTE."

 

a man shooting a child in what seems to be a racially motivated attack is a lot different then a civilian shooting another civilian.

 

Is it against the law to follow and confront someone??

 

Yes if the person you are following and confronting is minding their own business you have no right to follow or confront them, its called harassment. If you are a member of a neighborhood watch the protocol is to inform the police if you see something wrong, THAT IS IT.