Tripoli Libya Bloodbath - Where is Gaddafi?

What a mess

 

will he fire more scuds, that is the question..

 

Very sad,MORE INNOCENT deaths

 

I really find a lot of this situation hard to believe. I mean, let's take a look at the fact that Libya was the number 1 country in Africa before the invasion. Great rates of growth of/and GDP. The central bank was state owned (none of us will remember that in our countries) and so was the biggest oil company. Gadhafi spent a lot of money on bring water... How far? I can't remember but something like 100 miles to people in the desert? And the whole damn country is run on oil revenues which would not have been possible without Gadhafi's stern leadership. Libya was, until this invasion, a socialist country. It's standard of living was higher than most European countries. Because of such wealthy and strong characteristics brought about by Gadhafi, they were one of the few countries that did not need to bow to IMF. If anyone doesn't know what the IMF does to countries, I suggest you do some research but don't just scratch the surface. These days, wherever the IMF fails, the assassins and military clean up.

It spoke volumes to me when it was released in the press that the rebels were supported by Al Qaida, a fact which most people seem to have forgotten... Why have we (NATO) come to the aid of the same side as Al Qaida? I thought they were the main target organisation for this war on terror that we are fighting and will be fighting forever if we don't start thinking for ourselves?

A rag-tag bunch of rebels that magically come by some very nifty military hardware and the ability to use it seemingly without training and the logistics to support a hastily scrambled together militia that can take on a whole country's army? Who can also form a privately owned central bank and oil company after a hard day's struggle on the revolutionary battle ground? How come we never hear numbers on the news of how many rebels there actually are? You know, statistics, things like that. We don't hear any statistics about things over there. If we did, especially pre current war, we would be asking ourselves why our governments aren't able to provide for us like that, considering we are meant to be richer and grander and better than these primitive, silly little countries in every way. If we were shown the statistics and details for these campaigns and the evnts within them, we would soon see that they do not add up to the idea we have been fed about this. Maybe there are more people in that country who support Gadhafi? He's the longest serving Arab leader, he came to power in a bloodless coup where he abolished a monarchy and formed a republic (you Americans know what one of them is, right?). He is a man who has consistently stood firm against zionism, a common theme in enemies of the West. He was elected as leader of the African Union (53 nations strong) in 2009. He is a respected figure in the Arab league. Here he is in action at an Arab summit this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZZvPlGCt_8"]Gaddafi speech: "America hanged Saddam, and may hang you as well!" (with English) - YouTube

Maybe those were pro government demonstrations, those huge crowds of people that were shown and called a "protest"? Maybe the actual anti government demonstrations were dwarfed by the size of the pro government demonstrations?
There story is always very different, of course:

This is just one example of the TOTALLY DIFFERENT story broadcast by Libyan state television and they are not the only ones who are broadcasting different stories to the war than the ones we get from the big fat smelly media who lie a lot and often fall victim to disinformation:
http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/10/dead-qadhafi-son-shown-on-libyan-state-tv.html

So what to believe?

I'm not saying he's perfect but when you weigh up the facts, just like for a lot of the other supposed "enemies" of the West, he seemed to heading in the right direction. Their countries were not great but they were heading in the right direction. Countries like ours always get jealous and intervene when other nations start to do well, especially if the distribution of wealth is heading in the right direction.

In the West, we all say "Bring down the bad governments! With force if they resist!" when we are talking about mainly Arab goverments, most of the time Muslim or at least with a Muslim connection present. When we say this we are often talking about governments that are not invading or attacking other nations and haven't for some time. Governments that have defended themselves several times from invasion, governments that have had a fair share of turmoil within their own countries, a lot of the time caused by outside sources, as history shows us. We think we have the right to be condemning other governments when it is our governments that put all the effort into warfare. WE are the war mongerers, we have taken war to new levels and surpassed any pitiful Arab idea of war and plagued them with our invention and then shunned them for falling victim to such an affliction.

 

That's all this is, really, just an extra large bombing campaign. That how they do it. Just like Iraq, in a way.

I would like to see the figures on how many civilians are killed by NATO bombs as opposed to Gadhafi troops, even over decades.

 

Mad Dog's been put on a leash. I wonder when they'll hang him with it?

 

Gaddafi to his men right about now.. "which one you guys is the best spider hole digger?"..

 

Dammit, they had only just captured a few military bases around the city not even 24 hours ago. How the fuck are the rebels crushing a nation's army and WHY AREN'T THERE ANY FUCKING NUMBERS TO BACK SHIT UP????

 

Twitter is probably down there..

 

Meanwhile in Syria:
http://rt.com/news/army-assad-syria-gangs-645/

The diplomacy really follows uncannily similar lines from all countries involved...

 

A quote from an article about the protests in Georgia that ended in violence:

http://rt.com/news/blogs/full-disclosure/georgia-protests-silver-revolution/

 

And this article seems to suggest that reports from Tripoli are rather hard to confirm because of communications being hit and journalists confined to their hotels. Please do read the section subtitled "NATO using rebels as pawns"
http://rt.com/news/tripoli-battle-libya-rebels-623/

So... Where are all these stories coming from?

OH YEAH that's right... The "REBELS"!!! I doubt if any of the stories we are receiving or have been receiving for some time are confirmed.

Although I've not seen any of the actual broadcasts you're talking about on Sky. And I shall leave that for tomorrow. I'm off to bed, knowing that the world will be that little bit more fucked tomorrow.

There goes another sovereign nation and people don't fucking look twice. We fight wars that people seem to have no idea we are fighting. I wonder how long they will choose to destabilise the country for? Humans truly disgust me.

 

If he is smart HE IS NOWHERE NEAR THERE!!

Yes its all a bit too sudden isnt it??

 

I have to agree with mustlivelife, while Libya has certainly been closed off to most of the world, any television production I have seen where people have been allowed in has showed cities filled with very expensive cars, new housing, a very high literacy rate, and people speaking excellent English. While sometimes you can argue that of television crews can only go where the government has sanctioned, they can't control exactly what cars and housing are seen on the street in a variety of cities (one particular show I saw had two backpacking dudes pretty much going where they liked). It didn't look like a grim, oppressed backwater to me, that's for sure.