U.S. Losing War in Iraq

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  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Truth: The war in Iraq never ended.

    Truth: Saddam may have been captured but a whole cabal of his generals have been leading the insurgency against the American/British/Australian occupation of Iraq.

    Truth: They never captured Saddam's top general who is in charge of the isurgency.

    Truth: Saddam's army has lots of money and people willing to fight against the occupation. So the war continues. The mission was never a success, much less accomplished.

    Truth: The violence continues to escalate and the casualties from both sides continue to be mostly civilians.

    Truth: Under Saddam there were few if any terrorists on Iraqi soil. Now there are hundreds if not thousands.

    Truth: Under Saddam Iraq was far better off than they have been under the US Bush Occupation.

    Truth: There is more fear, more death, more destruction than Saddam ever inflicted upon his country thanks to the American invasion of Iraq.

    Truth: President Bush says we are making progress in Iraq and democracy there is thriving.

    Truth: President Bush has NEVER told the truth about Iraq and the reasons for going there. Or should I say Karl Rove never allowed anyone to tell the truth (but that's another thread).

    Truth: The US is there for the oil, and that is all they are protecting. The peace and security of Iraq and it's citizens are secondary (if that).

    Truth: Iraq should not be united in the first place. Forcing these tribes to live together was a British plan foisted on the Iraqi people. Why? To keep the oil under the control of one country, run by foreigners.

    So the US is losing the war in Iraq for the reasons above, and losing this world war for the mind of the planet's citizens. Once the US stood for universal values, but these are secondary (as usual) for republican administrations. Using war to seize the assests of another country is about as low as a government can go. And those who support this illegal invasion are going to see their karma come back in spades. Karl Rove is just the tip of an iceberg that is floating into a sea of hot water...

    Add your own facts...
     
  2. skip

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    Here's another fact.

    The US has turned their greedy actions in the middle east into what is now a low level world war.

    And I believe it's just gettin' started.

    Thanks, GW for destablizing the mideast and starting a world war. Your own paranoid fantasies have manifested this horror.
     
  3. skip

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    The proof is in the fresh blood flowing in the streets of Baghdad every fucking day the US is "in charge" there. Like I said, it never flowed this fast in Saddam's time. The Sunni, Shia & Kurds need their own fucking countries. It's way past time, and I think they would agree (except possibly the Sunnis who like the Americans want it all)
     
  4. skip

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    That's the problem with you Americans. You want fucking documents. You want and will only accept manufactured evidence delivered to you from Karl Rove via Fox News.

    When you see blood flowing in Baghdad, Madrid and now London it's not enough for you. Those were all safe cities to live in until Bush declared war (IRA not with standing). You'd be surprised how many who were once allies for the US are now against it. That is another fact & reason the US is losing it's war.
     
  5. jim_w

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    Riiiight... So, I take it you don't have any kind of references or evidence to back up these 'facts'?
     
  6. paulfreespirit

    paulfreespirit Senior Member

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    what references doe"s anyone need. as for evidence open your eyes and mind man.
     
  7. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    dont know which history books your rea


    1973, March 8: two IRA car bombs in London explode outside the Old Bailey and government's agriculture department headquarters, killing one person and wounding more than 150


    1974, October 5: two IRA bombs explode in pubs in the London suburb of Guildford; five dead, more than 50 injured


    November 21: two IRA bombs in Birmingham kill 19 and wound more than 180


    1982, July 20: two IRA bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park in London kill 11 British soldiers and wound more than 40, mostly civilian onlookers


    1983, December 17: IRA car bomb explodes outside Harrods department store, killing six people and wounding about 100


    1984 October 12: IRA targets conference of ruling Conservative party, killing five and wounding 24, but narrowly missing the prime minister, Margaret Thatcher


    1989, September 22: the IRA bombs the Royal Marines School of Music in Deal, killing 10 soldiers and wounding more than 30


    1991, February 7: IRA fires three homemade mortar shells at No 10 Downing Street, the British prime minister's official residence in London. No injuries


    1992, April 10: a massive IRA truck bomb in London's financial district kills three and causes hundreds of millions of pounds worth in damage


    April 24: an IRA truck bomb in London's financial district, killing one and causing heavy damage


    1996, February 9: IRA ends a 17-month ceasefire with a third massive truck bomb in London's financial district, killing two


    February 18: an IRA bomber accidentally kills himself aboard a London double-decker bus, five injured


    June 15: for the first time, the IRA targets a different English city - Manchester - with a massive truck bomb, wrecking the central shopping area and wounding about 200
    2000, September 20: IRA dissidents fire rocket-propelled grenades at headquarters of MI6 security agency. No injuries.
    ding but you might try another
     
  8. atropine

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    I guess New York was a safe city before Bush declared war too?..

    just like gilligan, i wont argue with a lot of your "facts', as it is obvious, but some of what you said is pure bias, even if its true. id agree that the oil is a major factor in the US occupation, but this doesnt make it fact.

    your hostility towards gilligan makes you seem more like an extremist twit who will believe any anti-bush agenda on the net.. and you dont wanna be like that.
     
  9. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    i also like how you generalize a population of 295 million plus people over "1" person asking for proof!
     
  10. skip

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    Cadcruzer, guess you don't know what the words "not with standing" means. Look it up.
     
  11. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    i know what it means , your saying those bombings dont count? didnt hurt as much ? wtf? i guess in your mind 9/11 wasnt that bad of a day either minus the airplanes of course.
     
  12. atropine

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    yeah.. truth is.. you cant blame the doings of the IRA on america so you discount them from your arguement.
     
  13. seamonster66

    seamonster66 discount dracula

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    This war certainly was not a display of force. It shows any poitential enemies of the US that its no so hard to fight them guerilla style...not to mention the fact that its bankrupting a nation during a recession.

    Can't wait to get out of here
     
  14. Higherthanhell

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    Truth..Bush said Iraq had wmd's
    Truth...our troops died looking for them
    Truth...Iraq didn't have wmds
    Truth..our troops died over a lie
    Truth..Bush got away with murder.
     
  15. skip

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    Eggszackly! Well put.

    And now both the London bombings & the Karl Rove affair have finally got the media questioning the logic behind the Iraq war.

    I noticed in every press conference the subject now comes up in almost every question!

    Yippie the "free" press is finally doing it's job (too little, too late).

    It is the LIES told by our governments that feeds the terrorism and in MANY minds justifies it, believe it or not!
     
  16. skip

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    Oooh yeah, we should invade a country and kill thousands of people there because they ONCE harbored A terrorist. So what if he's dead already.

    Yes, Abu Nidal counts in the FEW that I mentioned, so where was I wrong? And from what I've read about the guy he had a valid grevience against Israel, even if I don't condone his activities.
     
  17. velvet

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    Didn't the mayor of London say something about how Bush and Blair (or basically the politics of their countries) are responsible for the hatred that their is in the arabic countries for 'us' western people? He said it a few days ago.. and it was the most sensible thing I heard a highranking person say about this for a long time. I wonder if he had to explain himself to Blair for that..
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Let alone terrorists we funded, if not trained.
     
  19. velvet

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    exactly.. that's what the London guy was refering to.. I'm really too lazy now to look up his exact words, but he litteraly refered to that. Guy should have a medal for standing up against his own prime minister like that..
     
  20. skip

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    Yes, the mayor of London is quite outspoken and sensible from what I've heard. Too bad he doesn't have more power. A mayor is pretty low on the national level of influence.
     
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