UN Vetoes

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Seamus Gudgie, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. Seamus Gudgie

    Seamus Gudgie Member

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    Why do we have them?. After the recent blocking of sanctions against the Assad government by Russia, it got me thinking why the U.S, U.K, France, China and Russia have the right the overule what the majority want?.

    Shouldn't the UN be a process where the majority rule regardless of what the original members think?. Russia is of course not the only country guilty of using it's vetoes against the majority - The U.S has double veto power (where a resolution can be defeated and then stricken from the records!).

    Shouldn't we do away with Vetoes?, have i missed something obvious or is it a case of the former and current colonial masters keeping a firm grip on the 'uncivilised' and keeping evil democracy at bay?
     
  2. 56olddog

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    I'm no fan of the UN, but you might want to do some research in regard to how it's organized and how it functions.

    :)
     
  3. darkforest

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    The Useless N couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag. They should at least write the Syrian president a stern letter stating if he keeps up what he's doing they'll write him another, even sterner letter.
     
  4. Perilless

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    The whole syria thing has discredited the UN in my eyes. They've basically given Assad a free rein to carry on slaughtering his own people.
    Thats not to say Russia and China are the only countries guilty of using their vetoes to protect an ally....The US seems to veto any resolution remotely critical of Israel. So yeah...Useless N is about right.
     
  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Try reading The Age of Consent by George Monbiot
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Consent-George-Monbiot/dp/0007150431"]The Age of Consent: Amazon.co.uk: George Monbiot: 9780007150434: Books

    Here is a thread on it -

    Would a global government and a New World Order be a bad thing?
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=75062

     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The UN was set up by the same people who funded both sides in World War II so they had an excuse to create such a insidious entity. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's obvious to anyone who knows the facts. The UN is controlled by the same corporate, big-money interests that control the rest of the world, yet Balbus supports them even though they torture children like they did in Somalia.
     
  7. storch

    storch banned

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    Hear, hear!
     
  8. storch

    storch banned

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    OIL DOLLARS

    The key to it all is the fiat currency for trading oil.
    Under an OPEC agreement, all oil has been traded in US dollars since 1971 (after the dropping of the gold standard) which makes the US dollar the de facto major international trading currency. If other nations have to hoard dollars to buy oil, then they want to use that hoard for other trading too. This fact gives America a huge trading advantage and helps make it the dominant economy in the world. As an economic bloc, the European Union is the only challenger to the USA's economic position, and it created the euro to challenge the dollar in international markets. However, the EU is not yet united behind the euro — there is a lot of jingoistic national politics involved, not least in Britain — and in any case, so long as nations throughout the world must hoard dollars to buy oil, the euro can make only very limited inroads into the dollar's dominance.
    In 2000, Iraq, with the world's second largest oil reserves, switched to trading its oil in euros. American analysts fell about laughing; Iraq had just made a mistake that was going to beggar the nation. But two years on, alarm bells were sounding; the euro was rising against the dollar, Iraq had given itself a huge economic free kick by switching.
    Iran started thinking about switching too; Venezuela, the 4th largest oil producer, began looking at it and has been cutting out the dollar by bartering oil with several nations including America's bête noire, Cuba. Russia is seeking to ramp up oil production with Europe (trading in euros) an obvious market. The greenback's grip on oil trading and consequently on world trade in general, was under serious threat. If America did not stamp on this immediately, this economic brushfire could rapidly be fanned into a wildfire capable of consuming the US's economy and its dominance of world trade.
    HOW DOES THE US GET ITS DOLLAR ADVANTAGE?

    Imagine this: you are deep in debt but every day you write cheques for millions of dollars you don't have — another luxury car, a holiday home at the beach, the world trip of a lifetime. Your cheques should be worthless but they keep buying stuff because those cheques you write never reach the bank! You have an agreement with the owners of one thing everyone wants, call it petrol/gas, that they will accept only your cheques as payment. This means everyone must hoard your cheques so they can buy petrol/gas. Since they have to keep a stock of your cheques, they use them to buy other stuff too. You write a cheque to buy a TV, the TV shop owner swaps your cheque for petrol/gas, that seller buys some vegetables at the fruit shop, the fruiterer passes it on to buy bread, the baker buys some flour with it, and on it goes, round and round — but never back to the bank.
    You have a debt on your books, but so long as your cheque never reaches the bank, you don't have to pay. In effect, you have received your TV free. This is the position the USA has enjoyed for 30 years — it has been getting a free world trade ride for all that time. It has been receiving a huge subsidy from everyone else in the world. As it debt has been growing, it has printed more money (written more cheques) to keep trading. No wonder it is an economic powerhouse!
    Then one day, one petrol seller says he is going to accept another person's cheques, a couple of others think that might be a good idea. If this spreads, people are going to stop hoarding your cheques and they will come flying home to the bank. Since you don't have enough in the bank to cover all the cheques, very nasty stuff is going to hit the fan!
    But you are big, tough and very aggressive. You don't scare the other guy who can write cheques, he's pretty big too, but given a 'legitimate' excuse, you can beat the tripes out of the lone gas seller and scare him and his mates into submission.
    And that, in a nutshell, is what the USA is doing right now with Iraq.

    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/HEA306B.html
     
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