Views on suicide

what is the hippie standpoint on suicide as opposed to Catholocism?

 

if you get that depressed and dont want to live go right ahead and commit suicide. as long as it wasnt just for attention.

 

its one of the worse sins a person can committ, because theres no time for repentance.

 

R:
"hey, baby, if it feels good, do it..."



~

 

I think it's your right (you shouldn't be forced to live, right?), but suicide is a terrible thing, and I think it would be much better if people sought counseling or talked with people first. If it would've taken me five years to talk Hunter S. Thompson out of suicide I would have done it, because your life is the most valuable and amazing thing you have.

 

Would you really do that? lose five years of your life to try and persuade someone not to kill themselves??
Crikey.

'as long as it wasn't for attention' I like that.

I think you have three rights, to live, to die, and to choose.

opposed to catholsssism. I am. I have a catholic grandma, she's alright but has this crazy view we're all going to be judged and our sins counted. I just do not believe that . I believe in life after this so called death, and I believe in states of mind. I'd think that killing yourself would be a really unpleasant state of mind. But it's a basic right of life so whatever happens i'm sure the only punishing going on would be from the mindset of the deceased, if they regretted their actions.
A cool story I've got..i was drinking [way] too much one night, i slipped into a coma and felt myself sucked out of my head, everything was just black space between molecules. And i knew i was dying. a bundle of responses and black swirling heat. anyway i saw a group of hideous demons that were like a gate. so i thought, okay i'm dead, well theres nothing to worry about now, so that took a huge weight off my heart and i felt immense love that vanished the demons and wham, i was back in my body, with my heart racing like a steam train. If i'd had killed myself and eneterd that state of being, knowing there was Not a jot of possibilty that i could resolve things, I doubt idv been able to face those demons without fear..and things would have perpetuated along another crossroads... But hey. whatever

 

It's all a matter of opinion in which cultural & religious paradigms play an important role. There are cultures where suicide is honourable or where it is rligiously exalted. There are cultures where it is accepted as just another aspect of life, and there is our culture with its myriad of taboo's.
From my perspective, those who have a view of reality that is resticted by bias, belief, or convention (ie paradigmatic restrictions) are fearful of anything that they don't understand (which is everything other than their belief/bias/convention) and do and say anything and everything to justify the stance.
Those with open minds tend to trust that the universe is a safe place into which they can commit their life or their death no matter what. I think that's because it is generally appreciated that the divine force that created the whole show is the esence, epitome, and origin, of all that is good and pure and perfect. So it's good to see what it has to offer next, no matter what dimension you explore.

 

You could always repent first.

 

From the view of a hippy: Id ask why are you down? If its because of money or possessions then just let them go and be free. If its from emotion then learn to relax and not take things so deeply. If its from someone dying and you being in grief then i think they would always want you to continue living and accomplish what they didn't. Basically how i see it is suicide unless due to a medical condition and it has been thought about properly is a very un hippy like thing cos its just a waste of life

 

I say that if someone, like Hunter, feels it is his time to check out, then I am not in any position to condemn him. I have no clue what his life experiences have been. No one really knows anothers reality. It holds no shame to me. I very much doubt I will suicide, cuz I like living too much, even when I am in pain. The pain is better than being dead. My own personal proscription is due to my wish to stick it out, come what may. I am lucky to be alive......and I want to stay that way, perhaps someday I won't, and if so, I will not let someone waste their time in a futile and out of line attempt to make me do their bidding. But, like I say, I am hanging in barring any really unexpected and catastrophic personal events.


How's the new world Hunter? As wild as they say?

 

i just think that death is so easy to obtain. like, we all want to know what comes next, but we're just afraid to experience it. everyone has the power to end their life. if life is just a place where you prepair and experience for what comes next, and one is ready, i think they should be able to move on.

 

OK ~ I'll level with you's.

I "died' in an accident when I was 6 years old.
When I was "dead" it was no different than being alive, except without a body. Perception, understanding, and all senses were unimaginably enhanced. There is not "death", but you only find that out when you're dead!! LOL:sunglasse
If anyone wants to know the dets, email me and I'll forward what I've written for posterity.

 

Alright, maybe not five years straight, but I'd definitely get to know him, be there for him, give a shoulder to lean on (if that's what he needed) and try and figure out what was so wrong that he'd want to die. Then from there I could maybe try and fix something. If it took five years of living with him, hanging out, and being his friend, why not? Maybe he had a good reason (I don't doubt it at all, he's the kind of guy that would, I think), but suicide on a whim is a huge loss.

 

i will not try and compare the two although you could go into a big dialog about how it is a sin and all that but i think catholisism has always been over rated as a beliefe system just as suicide i think that suidcid is a total waste of a life that could teach the rest of us a little bit more about commpassion we all have things to do in this world and to kill ourselves early before we give back our gift that is uneiqe to us all is to deprive us all of you!!! if you are thinking of this i would like tou to pm, em im ,or any other m there is look at my profile and email me we need all the compassionet peole we can bring together to make this world work!!!!! wooo hooo hidihidihoooo

 

A number of people who survived their attempt to kill themselves, tell of hellish experiences and being surrounded by demons. The thought of being trapped in such a state is truly frightening.

 

Well first of all, it is not your body, it belongs to God. If you murder yourself, the Bible clearly teaches that no murder will enter into the Kingdom of God. You might be in a hurry to move on, but you will find the new experience my not be the plesent one you were looking for. God gave you your life for a purpose, and He did not put you here to kill yourself.

 

well, im not christian, and i don't beleive that i am owned by God.

 

id take suicide over catholocism

 

You cannot kill something which cannot be killed (the soul). You can only destroy the temple (the body), which is a temporary structure anyway. The bible tells the truth- no murderer will enter the kingdom of heaven, for there is not one person who can truly kill.

 

feeling suicidal is one of the lonliest and just basically the worst thing you can feel and i wouldnt wish it on anybody but it is totally your right to kill yourself ifg you want- permanent things scare me though- thats why ive never succeeeded at it- its just irreversable and theres so many things in the world that are gorgeous and worth living for that it balances out all the terrible bad things