WE NEED TO ACT NOW

I posted a link on the latest news.

 

Candy

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Hi

I ask again can anyone answer the questions raised?

 

My opinion is valid.
I feel the law change after we actually get Brexit will alleviate the UK's obligations to accommodate these migrants.
THE LAW at the moment, EU law actually states that the first country they arrive in should take them.
Not allow the flood of them to UK shores.

 

Right wing politicians and the right wing media often push the lie that the UK’s entitlement system is the most generous in Europe because they want to cut it.

It’s the same reason they push the other lie that immigrants and welfare scroungers live lives of luxury on benefits

Why do you let yourselves be manipulated?

UK's benefit system is among the toughest in Europe says Glassdoor research | Metro News

 

Candy

How is it valid?

What law change are you talking about?

These are refugees – do you know what law covers them?

What EU law?

Is it a flood?

 

The UK is governed by EU law on this at the moment.
We can make our own law on this crisis after Brexit.
Yes, it is a flood of them, too many for my small country, and WE have a pandemic!
That is very much another concern for me.

 

Candy

What law?

We have always made are own laws even as a member oif the EU - so again what law?

How is it a flood?

These are refugees – do you know what law covers them?

 

Yes and you can Google the same as me.

Do you need links?

 

These are difficult times.
We should start off by rekindling trade with our former British colonies, particularly when it comes to food, rather than starting to import processed junk from the US.
We are also in a position to import manufactured goods from India and stop sending all our money along a on way street to China. In return, India will use the money to improve their infrastructure and we will benefit from playing a major role in the design and construction.

All this needs a dedicated and intelligent government. At the moment, they are too busy focusing their one track minds on continuing trading with the EU.
Needless to say, EU trading is necessary and while we should not cancel orders out of spite, a new balance is required if we are to obtain any benefit from leaving them.

Regarding immigration, most of which takes place through normal carriers. We need to pass laws to ensure that carriers correctly check eligibility to enter the UK prior to boarding them. Any that arrive without the correct paperwork should simply be put back on the plane (regardless of bookings) and the carrier left to fly them around until they find somewhere to dump them.

 

Candy

I'd like answers to the questions

You are citing laws that you say back up your argument – so what are these laws

You say it is a flood what are you basing that on?

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

We welcome people people who come here to work and abide by our very relaxed laws.
As a geographically small country, we need to have some restrictions, otherwise we will sink into the north Atlantic. .

 

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing anywhere...

 

Sadly, the main problem is that we have destroyed job opportunity in the UK, by importing everything from china.
If you stand back and look at the overall picture, it is very depressing.

When I was at college, I wrote that by the time that I retired, computerization and automation of manufacturing would only require humans to work 16 hours a week.
This has not happened, leaving us to need to work double that in order to live.
It is the reason that the 70's boom occurred, which had no benefit and caused property prices to rocket.

I sometimes think that the people running the west are a complete bunch of selfish idiots.

 

Our bright local authority think that they can solve the world economic problems by increasing the cost of parking.

 

Wil

Most of this has already been shown wanting in the Brexit thread.

What colonies?

What goods and services are we going to sell them that we don’t now?

I mean Germany already exports more to India than we do, what are we going to suddenly manufacture, create and sell when we are not part of the EU that we didn’t and couldn’t have done when part of it?

Around 30% of all food consumed in the UK is imported from the EU, a lot of that is fresh produce, it is viable because we are close to those countries and have a well-established (and frictionless) trading system.

How do we have control of that?

Are we going to tell India what to make and thing is we already do get stuff from there so I’m unsure what you mean here.

What do you mean?

It isn’t the EU that is going to have the big problems it’s us – can you name one benefit from leaving?

We basically do that already – they are detained – to gauge their status – again do you know what laws cover refugees and asylum seekers?

 

Candy maybe you missed this.

You are citing laws that you say back up your argument – so what are these laws

 

wil

Who is the ‘we’ here?

Why do you think that happened?

Please explain your thinking here?

Yes but self-interest was neoliberalism’s underlying philosophy.

 

The problem I find with many in this thread is that there seems to be a lot of moaning and bitching but little knowledge, understanding or the ability to answer questions.

And what so called ‘knowledge’ there is seems based on belief rather than reality.

Even when the belief is refuted that goes unacknowledged because to accept the mistake mean that belief might have to be questioned

Reasons are cited but can’t be backed up because the things been cited are beliefs that are just believed to be truth.

Right wing politicians and the right wing media have tied these strings of beliefs to some people and dance them around like puppets

I just wonder why they can’t see the strings.