Weekend blow in

That is making the assumption that we are at this time able to perceive, measure and understand all means of causality between events. We can't, but that does not mean that such connections don't exist.

Duh, of course the question asked will shape the answer received.
Ever hear of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? It states that certain pairs of physical properties, like position and momentum, cannot both be known to arbitrary precision. That is, the more precisely one property is known, the less precisely the other can be known. This is not a statement about the limitations of a researcher's ability to measure particular quantities of a system, it is a statement about the nature of the system itself. As a consequence of the uncertainty principle, it is impossible to measure simultaneously both position and velocity of a microscopic particle with any degree of accuracy or certainty.

Essentially just the act of observing a thing effects the thing observed.

That applies across all aspects of science and the physical universe.
Anyone with a true understanding of science understands this and realizes that all scientific "fact" in tentative at best and is just an expression of probability. Something is deemed a scientific law when, based on our limited observations, the probability of something not following the previously observed action is so astronomically high as to render it a mute point relative to our capabilities to observe and record said event. It doesn't mean that something different can't occur, just that it most likely wont based on our previous experience.

The very same thing can and does apply to spiritual/religious concepts.
That is just a by-product of our limited ability to sense and perceive. If you think that any religious teaching/world view provides all the answers you are only deluding yourself. The Bible itself doesn't claim to provide all the info. It is only concerned with Gods dealings with Humanity at this stage of existence for one. No religion can assert to contain all knowledge because by the very nature of our nervous systems such things have a limiting factor to them. Regardless of what you "saw" while tripping or meditating, it all is still filtered and organized through our nervous systems. Timothy Leary understood this and never saw a need to go beyond understanding psychedelics beyond the scope of our nervous systems.

Not really, I found it to be a rather weak supposition, and who is the author you are quoting?
Bottom line: We just don't friggin know enough nor are we capable of knowing all the workings of the universe. Isn't it fucking great!!
That is why I stay in constant awe of all that is and revel in my lack of understanding and knowledge. As far as me, I don't know, and the more I learn the less I truly know, but that is the beauty of it.
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and you just touched on the very next page of the book from the passage i quoted! haha. so then how do we explain these things which are beyond all probability?

i thought that it was a very strong supposition. he uses an astrological experiment between married couples, with a relation to the zodiac as well as alchemy and the i ching -- with a contrast between eastern and western mysticism -- to support his ideas. then in a further chapter he hypothesises and draws a correlation with the Tao.

the book is - synchonicity: an acasaul connecting principle by carl jung. it's a must read honestly. it certainly changed my outlook.

but anyway i'd love to elaborate more on the ideas in the book but i have essays to write and tests to study for, all in time for me to go to a festival tomorow! arty:

 

^^ I really wanna read some more Carl Jung, freaking genius.

 

I like turtles..

 

pretty much this. I don't know if there is necessarily anything drugs can show us or open our minds to that we aren't capable of perceiving sober...that being said I don't know if I would have had some of my spiritual realizations (whether they be real {again i use this term loosely}) in this life time had it not been for drugs. Maybe i would have, as some crazy shit has happened to me. I guess I am saying it might be a short cut to opening the gates of perception in the brain that may be more difficult, and seem impossible to some people while not under the influence of a psychedelic.

 

Seeee, I'm not as brain dead as I look
I don't know how to explain them at this point, will give it some thought.

Good luck academically, and have a good time socially.

 

well that's a negative on the festival. traveling across state to sneak into a fest is a bad idea!

"Absolutely unique and ephemeral events whose existence we have no means of either denying or proving can never be the object of empirical science; rare events might very well be, provided that there was a sufficient number of reliable individual observations. the so-called possibility of such events is of no importance whatever, for the criterion of what is possible in any age is derived from that age's rationalistic assumptions. there are no 'absolute' natural laws to whose authority one can appeal in the support of one's prejudices. the most that can fairly be demanded is that the number of individual observations shall be as high as possible. if this number, statistically considered, falls within the limits of chance expectations, then it has been statistically proved that is was a question of chance; but no explanation has thereby been furnished. there has merely been an exception to the rule. when, for instance, the number of symptoms indicating a complex falls below the probably number of disturbances to be expected during the association experiment, this is no justification for assuming that no complex exists. but that did not prevent the reaction disturbances from being regarded earlier as pure chance."

you know, you should just buy the book. lol.

 

What fest brahhh?

 

have u ever heard the saying " the simplist explaination is usually the right one"

u can easily right a big book with a whole lot of trivial crap in it, about causal relationions or whatever... but at the end of the day, that is NOT scientific and is merely some guy making a bit of money.

 

ever heard of the crap called "the secret". the thing that was on oprah.

yeah that crap was for suckers for sure. just like alot of things.

 

Alright let's employ Occam's Razor (the principle you just described) to the creation of the world. The Genesis account is pretty simple. God did it. end of story. Religions are successful because of simple answers.

Reminds me of a saying: Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

I guess science would be questions that become answers that become questions, etc.

 

causal relations can be very scientific, as well as very fuckn deep shit
buddist philospohy man, will tie your brain in knots...causality

 

couldnt a religous lord or god or whatever the highest being in any religion be considered a myth?

 

yes, that is called the atheists point of view.

And basically it is true because all religions were created by man. Its more about what the books are trying to describe. What is this god they are explaining to me?

 

iam just saying all religion is kinda like imagnation, Jesus was a chill dude tho, too bad he was brutally mutalited.

 

I feel like I know exactly what Jesus was talking about when I come off cid. Being reborn. of children is the kingdom of god, and is at hand. consider the lillies of the field how they neither toil nor spin but even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. I heard that stuff my whole life but I needed acid to even begin to understand it.

probably just earth-centered pagan concepts lifted and repackaged for political expediency but whatever. good points are good points.

 

i dont understand how anyone can beleive in jesus.

i mean people think there jesus these days all the time, they really beleive it. and where do they go? to the mental instituation.

and anyway, how did they know there was such thing as a jesus before jesus came?
it was made up that such a thing existed. or if u will "prophesised". honestly listen to this shit, you wouldnt beleive somone now days if they said this shit.

and look at the stoopid muslims, if i blow shit up ill get 7 virgin wives. wow. dickheads.

i dont need to beleive in religion to have good morals.
some people do.

 

preomonition exists

 

No, that's not possible ever. Now get off this message board, don't you know it is the Hour of Haum-Kuth? We are behind in our goat-slaying, the Great Gobble-Gobble will not be pleased and will steal our children's eyes!