So someday I plan to post my experience of LSD in full, but here's part of mine that I'd like to question So in my experience, there was a long period of time of having the sensation of being one with everyone, and everything. Which seems to be VERY common. So I want to know how/why? What happened in your experience? because I'm very interested in why lots of people have this same revelation... there has to be a connection, because LSD just opens the mind... so there has to be something behind it. In my experience, I had this weird idea about all of us being part of one source energy. And it was realized through everything we do. Art, music, all released the energy, and the reason all of our emotions are connected, were because we are the same energy. And so everyone is essentially you, just in another space/time. You're living with yourself, so talking to another person messes with time because the energy is conversing with itself on another realm of reality. I can't seem to make as much sense of this as I could while it was happening. so I apologize if this sounds like gibberish. But I then remember that I was in a circular train of thought with this idea over and over. I was questioning it, then running with it. over and over. It really developed into something that made life seem like a puzzle. I believe I considered death for awhile because I saw life as this puzzle, that we had to escape, and this energy was doomed to exist alone by itself, so it messed with itself because it had nothing else to do. this was the reasoning behind violence, and hatred in the world. The energy is just deprived. I remember always trying to question how energy could have the need of desire. But I know for sure that desire existed, and that made everything selfish. Hate, is obvious. But even love seemed selfish. Love was stimulating itself in another place and time, so no matter what the energy did, it was negative. Because we are ALL this energy, including animals, and nature. That is the jist of what I can remember. And I'm very curious what others experienced to get this idea of being one. And if anybody has opinions on why we all seem to have this same finding in our trips.
Here's something I learned from nursing school, that seems rather obvious when you think about it, but struck me as pretty profound when you're talking about mind-altering drugs: Drugs can't make your body do anything it can't do naturally. For example, you can't take a pill and actually grow wings (although you might think you have them, lol). I've never done LSD, only LSA, which was amazing. I didn't have much of the "we are all one" thing, for me it was more personal, about how I didn't really own anything, including my body, and I just got this overwhelming sense of liberation from truly realizing this. I basically went into this trip with a certain question in mind, and I got my answer. It was amazing--like a Q and A with God. Essentially, I believe many people have the same experiences because psychedelics stimulate the same areas of our mind, and I think when the signals align a certain way in everyone's brain, we all would have that feeling. I've heard of people who suddenly had this glimpse of oneness while sober--it just hit them, for no apparent reason. I've heard of a study done where they looked at the minds of buddhist monks while they were meditating, and then gave them heroin. After trying the heroin, they said they liked it, but preferred the spiritual state they got from meditating even more. That tells you something. I think we all could technically achieve similar mental states as when on LSD, but it would take years of training and meditating. Drugs are just kind of a short cut, although they aren't for everyone and they certainly aren't the only way. I think your present mental state when you take drugs--consciously or subconciously--determines the direction of your trip, to a certain extent. Determining whether it will be positive or negative. I've been drugged up in the ICU before when my liver was failing, and I was having all sorts of terrifying hallucinations. But if you think about it, I had all sorts of toxins built up in my blood, so it made sense I would have a bad trip (I wasn't on psychedelics, mind you, but if I had been for some reason, at that point, I think the trip would have been just as bad.) Anyway, just my thoughts...
^^Yes. Did you know some monks, will even take LSD at the start of their journey so they later know what to achieve through mediation? that fascinates me. I liked your idea behind the mind being activated in the same area as everyone else to enable this same thought process. And believe me, my trip was VERY personal. I just posted the thought process I had for being "one with everything" and not even all of it, because some of it got too personal. I love the idea that we can learn about our selves so profoundly, and yet, it relates to everyone. I recommend you try LSD sometime in your life, you seem like the person who would take the learning and spiritual benefits from it in a very positive direction. But by no means do I intend to pressure you.
I don't find this sense of oneness to persist on all my psychedelic experiences. I find with LSD that I get that feeling of oneness often but on stronger hallucinogens like DMT and Salvia Divinorum, I often feel quite disconnected with the processess going on in those dimensions. So with that in mind, the science part of me thinks that we are social creatures that crave connection and I think the LSD feeling of connectedness is lower aspects of the brain getting stimulated in various way that manifest in the mind into these reassuring exaggeratted extistential type of thoughts. I tend to contemplate more mystical type thoughts as well but I can't really think of any at the moment and I'm sure others will chime in there, so I'll respond later when I think of any or other poster's elicit some thoughts in me.
What is so strange about it? We ARE all one at the most basic level and beyond that we ARE all part of a homogenous universe that is just manifesting at different speeds and vibrations. Physics supports this beyond any doubt. The electromagnetic spectrum encompasses ALL forms of energy, except gravity (for now), it just manifests differently due to velocity, frequency and wavelength. E=MC2 says it all right there. The equivalency of energy and matter. Everything IS made from the same source energy and that energy manifests in different forms. That's pretty much the basis for string theory. I feel psychedelics allow us to get a brief glimpse "behind the curtain" into this very simple, fundamental and rudimentary fact of the nature of energy/matter and the universe we exist in. Remember, you cannot separate yourself from this universe, and the observer is just as important as the thing observed. It's a ballet between the two points of reference, observer and thing observed, and the differences we perceive are largely a product of our own consciousness interacting with the rest of the universe. Here is another fact to contemplate. You are the center of the universe, and so am I, as well as everyone else reading this. We are all the center of the universe from our own perspective. It can be no other way. Here is a journey I undertook in a previous HF incarnation that deals with the same concepts you put forth here. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=405738&f=117 Oh, and welcome to your own universe, enjoy your stay.:sunny:
Loving the scientific responses!! I would like to hear some people's personal experiences of feeling this sensation tho, to get different perspectives in able to get to the same conclusion.
I had that vision and I changed my life toward becoming kinder and more loving - and the change persisted ~40 years. You could say that I pretty much based my life on that revelation. And after those many years of service, I was more or less burned out and I thought, fuck, not bad, I made it all that time, right into my mid-60s. Now I'm looking back within, focusing more on myself.
^^ that's great! I feel as if I have become nicer and more patient myself. It's incredible to hear that it could last for a good majority of my life!
i've felt the "oneness" on LSD for sure. but for some reason this one 2ce trip really sticks out in my mind. i got this "vision" in my head (not a CEV, more like a thought) of being a starving child in africa, being a homeless man in the cold rain, being an abused wife that felt stuck in her situation. it wasn't really sad though - it was beautiful. i just felt so connected to everyone, and couldn't fathom how anyone would ever want to do harm to a fellow human being. now i'm gonna go see if i can find my original post about this...
^^that's incredible. You reminded me of another part of my trip. I remember watching a movie, I have dual screens on my computer, and both of them seemed to be telling me something simultanesouly. One screen had a movie, and it showed a guy in front of an audience right before he was about to perform. The other screen was this "video" that pretended like you were the filmer, and it was on record, both of them however, seemed to be indicating that I was being watched by all these people. But the idea that went through my head, is even virtually, we undermine how connected we are to the world. It was very strange, I don't know if it would have hit me the same if it was just one screen on either, so it really seemed to mean something... Time played a big part in my trip, there were many things that matched up a little too perfectly to just be a coincidence.... I'd love to see that post pork.
^^^i just found it...it went into even less detail than my post above. but i bumped the thread "my first 2ce trip report" it has comments on several of my 2ce trips, as well as other peoples' it's in the synthetic drugs forum but remember what i said...don't feel like you need to venture into RCs. it might not be worth it.
These were all very interesting to read through, thanks guys for sharing. As far as my experience with hallucinogens doesn't stem farther than salvia and shrooms, which I've thought some weird things on shrooms, but nothing to-to life changing more just an experience hope to get that with lsd. I think one of the weirder, funner thoughts while tripping was that "we are all just baby printers." Pretty ridiculous if you ask me, I dunno if you get anything out of that statement just thought I'd share...
we are all one... made of the same building blocks, just in a different order. What makes up what you are? Your body, mind, opinions, thoughts? All of the above/ none of the above? If you take away what you percieve yourself to be, or others to be, or the planet to be.... we're all in the same space together. awesome read to invoke more thought about "oneness" http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=388434&f=45
that was MIND-BLOWING!!!! incredible idea!! I feel like that's what I felt put to a story, a more logical blown proportion to how I felt. I remember listening to the Beatles a lot on my trip, and thinking of how they truly captured every human emotion, I was in awe of there talents for awhile. And for some reason I was told, I was them in a past life. Then I read somewhere that Paul McCartney said the 60s were really the future and were all waiting to go there. And I thought maybe I was them in a future life because time is outside of a linear thought line. But then applying this concept to every human life is just stunning. that thread post was one of the best ideas i've ever read, wouldn't it be crazy if it were real? the absolute truth?
The most profound feeling of oneness is during ego death, so really this is a secret ego-death thread they tend to be great! there have been many. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=383609 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=414801 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=412422 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=402551 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=396042 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=392859 http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=369627
It's because everything IS One. Whether you are tripping or not, and even whether you realize it or not. 100 percent of the time. Tripping simply temporarily puts you beyond your conditioned way of seeing yourself and life around you. It filters existence differently and you simply tap into an unconditioned way of seeing. Conditioning, as an umbrella term, is the number one barrier to seeing Oneness. But whether you see it or not, it's still One. You don't become One, you simply recognize that it's already the case. Tripping can reveal this to you for various reasons.
Black Lotus: Ever hear of the Wilson-Leary Eight Circuit Brain Model? It's a fascinating model for understanding our spiritual evolution and the role that drugs can take. (Although I don't agree with his assessment of Ketamine being among the highest drugs. It doesn't seem to fit) http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/Wilson-model.html
the ancient vibration. The world is like a ripple on water. Everything you see is one thing. you can call it whatever you want to. Some people call it god. Some people call it "i dont know". i call it the source. you are me. I am you. we all came from the same place. And we are still there. We are one. We always were and always will be. Nothing. Not even the opposite of existence can change that. Nothing. And everything. Why? Why not? Ignorance is bliss. Here is a question you can ask yourself on one of your acid trips: Do i really want to know?
