What Are Your Views On The Death Penalty

so, although the responsibility for their crimes is severely diminished by their mental state, we should murder them because of the incredibly small chance that having been convicted of multiple instances of homicide and diagnosed with criminal insanity, and being locked away for life in a secure mental institution probably under some form of heavy sedation, someone might pay a massive bribe to a corrupt politician who would then pardon them and have them released into the general public, even though such a move would definitely be the end of their career if not result in a public prosecution for endangering the public through criminal negligence?

and this "possible" scenario (as outlandish as it seems) is pressing enough of a concern that we should grant to the people we suspect of being too corrupt and incompetent to not know that releasing a mass-murdering psychopath into the local park to run free with the squirrels isn't the wisest move, the right to decide whether or not to murder people.

even if its true that someone like Ted Bundy could escape/be let out through corruption or incompetence, how is our response to that tstate of affairs to grant to the people whose corruption, inability to tell right from wrong and criminal negligence would result in this fictional escape the ULTIMATE power over life or death?

 

Yup and that is one of the failures of the system. If someone is sentenced to death they should be allowed an appeal, maybe two, but after that it should be a swift execution.
It is the endless appeals process and the decades that someone could be on death row that is what makes is so ineffectual.

Joe Killer knows he stands a good chance of NOT being executed for years and years if he plays the system, therefore the deterrent effect has been lost.

Convict, sentence, take 'em out into the parking lot, bullet through the head, done.

If we saw that type of rapid completion of the process it would have a much, much greater deterring effect on other potential killers.

I know that this is most likely a very unpopular opinion, but it really is the reality of the situation.
Charles Manson has been on death row for DECADES secluded from the general prison population with all the privileges of home at a cost of over $250,000 a year. I live in Ca. so my tax dollars as well as those of the families of the victims who still live here, are being spent to keep that lunatic alive whenever he was sentenced to death ages ago!!!!
Where is the justice or "rightness" in that.

 

For everyone who is opposed to the death penalty - what are your views on abortion?

 

Those things are totally unrelated. You might as well ask everyone who is opposed to the death penalty what they think of country and western music.

It's kinda how Pastafarians jokingly say that global warming is directly related to the declining numbers of pirates since the 19th century.

 

technically, yes, but you have to admit there is often a correlation of opinion.

 

How is it unrelated?

 

Yes true, I do see where he is coming from, but in my opinion it's in essence just as twisted as pirates and the increase of global warming.

 

I take it that was rhetorical.

 

No, it wasn't. I'm actually curious how you consider the two completely unrelated.

 

That right is reserved not to the corrupt/incompetent officials but to twelve citizen peers 'tried and true'.

 

I consider a fetus not a sentient, conscious human being.

 

So you feel you are not stopping a life from taking place by aborting the fetus?

What about partial birth abortion?

 

I'm not in favor of banning abortion, but that is some of the most hypocritical BS I've heard.

 

Yes I can't deny that you are stopping a life, but abortion is in my opinion not killing a "human" life, with humans being conscious and sentient.
I oppose a conscious being killing another one, just for the sake of a false feeling of judgement.

I am not sure what you mean by partial birth abortion though.

 

We will probably never agree on much and I don't think I am being hypocrital, just like you probably don't think you are an ignorant redneck.
If you don't see the subtleties I tried to explain, I think it's not much use anyway to hold this discussion.

 

Partial birth abortion is when the head comes out, they crush it's skull and vacuum out the brains. Something along those lines.

 

Sounds a bit harsh to me, but I don't have a problem with that. I am pretty sure it happens for a reason and not just for the fun of it.

Edit: I still do not think it has any relation whatsoever to the death penalty, which was originally why you posted the question.
Abortion is a choice, made because of circumstances, by conscious beings about a fetus. The death penalty is not a choice, it's forced murder of another human being.

 

Oh enlightened one, may I just say that traveling through third world countries has made you such a wise individual.

 

Furthermore, I have heard from residents in Tx, that people will commit over-the-top violent crimes, just because they know they'll be killed for it. Also some sociopaths think that being killed for your crime, seals your name into the passage of time. So no, I do not believe in the death penalty either; I think it creates more violence, and doesn't deter it.

 

Well if you are sure of it, that must be right.

Not the least bit hypocritical. A person who wants rapists and murderers to die is an ignorant redneck, but crush a babies skull as it pops out (alive) and it's "for a reason".