What Do You Think Of The Religious Freedom Restoration Act Bill?

CNN also interviewed a florist who said he wouldn't sell flowers for a gay wedding, no matter what the law says. He claimed he would rather go to jail than serve them.

I'm still waiting for someone to point out the location of the Eleventh Commandment in the Bible to me. You know, the one that says "thou shalt not sell goods or services to homosexuals". Every fundamentalist seems to have studied that commandment extensively, but they can't provide a chapter and verse reference.

 

It's not a matter of selling , rather it is to choose not to participate as an artist . This is a liberal position .

 

I'm not religious or very well versed in the Bible, but I'm almost certain there are only 10 commandments.
It seems to me these people are simply saying that they recognize the definition of a marriage to be between a man and a woman, and not that they would refuse to provide service to persons who are gay, and would only exercise their right to not become involved in something that attempts to redefine the meaning of marriage.
Has a same sex couple tried to enter into a Muslim marriage contract in the U.S.A. yet? Maybe it would be best to just eliminate government at all levels from any involvement in marriage?

Of course you can go to a florist and simply buy flowers without need of explaining the purpose they will be put to use, or order a large number of pizzas without giving any reason.

 

Hide who you are? Accept having your Civil Rights Violated?

I think not.

 

I'm guessing they didn't go into any Halal butcher shops or biker bars. They went after the easiest target they could find, dumb hick "Christians". It's sort of the same as cops going after pot smokers, they rarely fight. I think targeting random working people for this kind of shit is pretty lame. I ave been disappointed over the last few years at how destroying people's careers seems to be the goal. To make some sort of "point".

Weird how they suddenly have enough money to open a chain of small pizza joints. I wonder if they will make them all shaped like fish?

 

Hide who you are? Is it necessary to make known you're a gay/straight/other customer? I haven't seen where anyone has claimed they would refuse to provide services to anyone in a 'public place' which is not the same as a wedding which is usually attended by invited guests.

 

Is that the pastor who actually said "cake is speech"?

 

Exactly. They are elevating their anti-gay beliefs to a position higher than that of the Ten Commandments, because they don't refuse to serve individuals who are violating one of the original ten. In fact, they don't even ask about those.

If they believe in "thou shalt have no other gods before me" then they should refuse to serve Islamic people, or at least inquire of anyone who appears to be Islamic. Otherwise, they are simply following a made-up religion called homophobia. How about the commandment against coveting? They should refuse service to anyone who appears to be overly materialistic.

The more closely you look at this situation, the more it looks like a crock of shit.

 

I suppose someone else has posted this: 1st amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Opens the question of how a business responds. I can see how either side in this could be argued. I think more importantly, it opens the question of tax free status of religious institutions. After all, the tips of waitresses are also freely given, yet are taxed. Isn't the tax free status accorded churches making a law that 'respects the establishment of religion'?

 

Yes, hide who you are.

Do you know that in 29 states there is no civil rights law preventing discrimination based on gender preference or gender identification?

Do you know that in those states an employer can fire a person for being gay?

In those states a landlord can evict you if they find out you are gay.

A motel can refuse to put you up because you are transgendered.

That's bullshit.

This backward ass country needs to get it's collective shit together.

Home of the free, my ass.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/1/8325585/lgbt-nondiscrimination-laws

 

Also the Bible has all kinds of warnings against fornication. Do florists not know they are major accomplices to this "crime" all the time? I've never heard of a florist saying to a single guy, "I shouldn't sell you these red roses if you're doing your girlfriend, or trying to use these to persuade her." No, being straight (in most cases), they can personally relate to ignoring that commandment, so they don't want to force it on others. I call bullshit on all their self-serving double standards.

For the record, my BFF is a liberal Christian, and she sees this whole situation the same way I do.

 

The alternative would be trying to blend together definitions of marriage from all major religions currently practiced in the United States; completely impractical, if it happened to be legal, which it is not.

Other rights involve banking and housing regulations.

Things like this are the only reason my husband and I got married. Otherwise, we would have been content living together permanently.

 

The way things have been going recently, we could be on our way to having separate sets of duplicate businesses in some areas, one for Christian fundamentalists, and another for everyone else. That would be aggravating enough in big cities, but in some small Southern towns, you could end up with businesses only for fundamentalists, and everybody who couldn't live with that would have to move elsewhere, even if their families had been there for generations.

We need to remember that our public safety and health regulations show that as a society, we figured out a long time ago that private businesses have to be treated as public places if they are open to the public. There is no reasonable alternative.

 

I continue to think that the USA needs to split in 3: West Coast Blue, East Coast Blue, and the United Red Christians of America.

 

1 Corinthians 6 : 9 - 10

But then...

1 Corinthians 14: 34

Just thought I'd put that out there.
Both quotes taken from the New Testament and, obviously, from the same book of the Bible.

So, if Christians want to claim the Bible as the reason for bigotry against homosexuals (or more specifically, gay men), then shouldn't they adhere to, at the very least, the laws from the very same book of the Bible?
Are they not distorting the word of God by only adhering to some of those words and not all of them?


The entire argument for using "religious freedom" to refuse to serve homosexuals is a load of shit and deeply flawed at every turn.


(Also, I REALLY hope my limits on liking posts gets removerd, or at least increased, by the time I hit a certain amount of posts or something. I hate trying to catch up in a thread, from the beginning, and find a few pages in that I've spent all my "Like"s!)

 

"Do as I say... Not as I do"

 

i'd say its a fairly naked, obvious, direct assault, upon and against, any sort of REAL religious freedom.

one so obvious, it is both pathetic and disgusting.

 

Fifty sovereign nations would probably go a long way towards ending much of the worlds problems. I've always wondered why after Reagan the Left has been shown as Blue and the Right as Red.

But this thread like many, actually most, others that appear here seem intent on making a mountain out of a sinkhole as if there are no important problems needing attention.

 

I'm pretty sure fair and equal treatment of all citizens of the USA is an important problem.

I mean, it's right at the beginning of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"
If a founding principle of our country isn't important, then what good is the rest of it?