What do you want?

It appears to me that a mentionable portion of the people in this world, especially in this country are unhappy with the conditions of life here on earth.
What I don't understand is, that most of those who are unsastified with their current location, government, family, friends or way of life... are free to pack up their belongings and relocate. We are as free right now as the human race could ever possibly be. The whole concept of a Heaven is a place where there are no problems because God takes care of everything that could, or does go wrong,
so in a very big way, most of your perceptions of heaven include a source of total control.
Is that what YOU want?

And if by some miracle you feel like sharing your idea of a 'happy medium',
PLEASE ! Do so !

 

"you're free to move around" - er, let me tell you mate I've dealt with the INS and other countries are similar in mind...

 

Interesting statement. So, my friends here in Maryland who are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule (since 1865) are truly free. And the terrorist threat is not real so the excessive guarding of the border crossings, airports, seaports and coasts has been called off. And I can freely travel to Cuba, Afghanistan, Ecuador, Iraq, North Korea and China with no documents? And there's no more racism, civil war and starvation in Africa? And I can actrually afford to FILL my car with gas? And the cure for AIDS has been found? And the Patriot Act has been repealed? And NORML has been successful? And George W. Bush died a crib death and George Carlin is in the white house? And the French make wine without sulfites? And you better tell me what you're tripping on because I gotta hit that shit...

No really. Mushrooms? Mescaline? Mama's super deluxe blotter? Please share the method to your madness... Then tell us where the freedom is.

 

The old paradox of knowing what you're fighting against, and not what you're fighting FOR. I keep asking this question and no one ever even answers. Last time I posted, no one even responded to the thread. 0 replies. Everyone'd rather bitch and complain about "babylon" or "the system" rather than iterate what it is they'd have in place of it, besides some nebulous idea of peace and love. I'm not really sure what I'd want either, but a discussion would sure be nice, throw some ideas around.

 

as many members as possible get the opportunity to share some of their thoughts on the simple question I've asked. It's ok if you don't want to respond, you deserve to be asked.
and Zoomie if it's a magic carpet ride you desire, the least you could do is explain why you think somebody would have to be out of their natural mind to share thoughts and questions as basic as this.
The freedom is what we could provide for people generations to come if by some miracle we are willing to pull the rug out from underneath ourselves.

Brandon, if you send me a pm or post a link here of the thread you are referring to, I would gladly respond.
and unfortunately I don't know what I want either, to get the freedom and opportunities we lost in our lives back.that we allowed to be taken ... obviously means paying the price.
for example, I had to post a 'reward for lost' found flyer along my path....
with a little sketch of my balls.

 

Free if you've got the money!
I'd like to pack up and re-locate, but I can't afford to. So I'm only 'free' if I have the cash.
And where in the world would I find a government with whom I was happy?

But is freedom meerly an external thing? I don't think so. Many are virtual prisoners of their own conditioning, beliefs etc.

 

Thanks really, but I pass on that stuff. Let me try to be a bit clearer.

I totally agree, I'm one of that mentionable portion.

It's not that simple. We have families, responsibilities, roots. Don't get me wrong, I already have plans to move to the mountains of WV, live off the grid and take up organic farming. But getting to the point that I can do this will take another year for my younger child to turn 18 and for me to come up with $100K cash. To paraphrase Bill, you need to have enough money to get to the place where you can live without money.

No, we are not. Maybe we were before 9/11. I live between metro DC and metro Baltimore. It's ridiculous what the Patriot Act has done to our freedoms, but you know what? I put up with the inconvenience to ensure that some asshat with a shitload of explosives (or worse) gets caught before he can use them.

Since I do not believe in God, this is not really an issue.

If I was abrasive in my previous post it was not (entirely) intended.

 

Meanwhile thousands of Mexicans (and who knows who else) are leaking through the border. The Patriot Act has very little to do with terrorism. Otherwise, it'd include something about securing the borders, and they'd actually DO something about it. A nation that can't control it's borders won't remain a nation for long.

As far as my thread about goals, I have no idea where I posted it, it was quite a while back. Let's just use this thread.

It's clear the problem with "what we should be fighting for" is that there are lots of people that have their own personal ideas of what to change and how. You can't please all the people all the time.

Still, I think a major issue that should be addressed, is putting the power back in the hands of the people. No more of this special interest lobbying bullshit, with all their money and bribes and kickbacks. Campaigns need to be more transparent, and maybe have limits on spending. I admit I know very little about this issue, but it's clear that a democracy or a republic must rest it's power on the people, not special groups like Oil and Pharmeceuticals.

I'd also like to see a shift away from consumerism and chronic debt. That goes for the Government as well, no more deficit spending.

I have no idea how to do any of this, though.

 

I don't disagree, Trippin.

 

Some kick ass drugs, a hot whip, some fine ladies, a few houses (some in the mountains, some at the beach), and awesome body that can party for years straight with no sleep, a good place to party at, a shitload of stuff to talk about, a whole bunch of cool shit to think about, a bunch of wet juicy (oops, said it already), to be able to sleep outside without being uncomfortable, to be able to lie on the beach for a week straight and still be happy. You know what, I am pretty simple....

 

zoomie is right on

brandon and love n it

what the fuck. patriot act doesnt have to do with illegal immigrants its terrorism supposedly and soomie is sayin that the patriot act is infringing on regular citizens rights rather than some terrorists or immigrants. hes saying that it is making th gov. all over us, we are less free. brandon....

whew politics.... no philosophy. i almost got excited.

oh yeah i guess i dont like this so i should get out right lovenit??

 

I just want my peace of mind.


...and that does not include religion or the concept of an all powerful god entity.

 

that's a good one, it sounds like you want to live like a rapper.

The Patriot act, the patriot act!!!!
How many goddam times am I gonna have to hear somebody crying about or warning me about the Patriot act?!?!
It's like "nobody better move a muscle or open their mouth about anything other than following the government in handcuffs because of the PAtriot Act!

Maybe the Patriot Act is really an act of God!

 

It doesn't have to do with illegal immigrants, but any real legislation that wanted to stop terrorism would have in it things to secure our nation's borders. As it is, thousands of Mexicans and who knows who else walks across the border...every day. If we can't keep the terrorists out of the country, it's MUCH harder to stop them without hurting the rights of citizens, right? Wouldn't it be better to stop them at the border, and leave the citizens and their rights alone?

I agree, our government doesn't really care about terrorism. I don't even think terrorism is a threat. It's our government that is a threat. Remember how Hitler said terrorists burned down that parlaiment building as a pretext for war with Poland, and also for his dictatorship? There are common threads all over the fucking place...

 

A friend of mine told me a long time ago that if a friend offered you something that it was alright if you accepted. Most people are too quick to refuse the generosity of others.. they probably wouldn't offer you something they didn't have plenty of.

I realize the colors I've shown don't paint a nice or peacefull image of a Love train speeding down the track blowing it's welcome whistle. Unfortunately time doesn't offer me the opportunity to blow much smoke up your asses.
The cat fight between who I am and where I stand is getting harder to disguise, or maybe I've become mature enough to make it through all that denial. or almost.
Yesterday's obstacle that the New and Improved Patriot Act provides is definitely something to be aware of, especially since they can detain and hold people indefinitely for a variety of 'sins', or even discussing the reduction of power the government might have over the people in the future.
If somebody started preaching about a revolution today or ever, they would probably get hog tied gagged and planted in an unmarked cell untill the next presidential election.

But since We might be God's to this planet, discussing the basics of what a heavenly place should consist of, is purely innocent.
And they probably wouldn't be willing to give one person who think's as God instant power by trying to silence him or her from expressing their solution, even if he or she was considering a completely different method to imposing and enforcement guidelines, or altering the entire structure.

and Yes! I am very serious... and if you don't believe so, entertain us with a few of your creative ideas,,
at least try to imagine that something as possible as a place that YOU would consider as a Heaven, can or does exist.

Even if you have to swallow some of the spite you may have towards God, or the entity that wouldn't even consider letting somebody like you weasel your way into their palace, it's constructive and healthy for the imagination to consider the impossibilities.

"I just want my peace of mind.

...and that does not include religion or the concept of an all powerful god entity."

Amen.

 

Obviously you are all spoiled ass rotten!


http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jackson-browne/68506.html

 

LOVE N IT:
Sometimes relocating isnt that simple.

It requires money, job hunting, etc. which can take anywhere from months to years. It means leaving family and friends behind. It's more than just simply "relocating"

I am unhappy with the US, and mostly with the weather conditions of where I live... and you know, I'd relocate in a heartbeat if it were that simple. Not only does my mother almost begin to cry everytime I tell her that I would like to move out of the country or even out of state... but I dont have the money for it yet, and finding a job in a whole new place is difficult as well.

Please, enlighten me on how SIMPLE it is.

 

I dont even care about your miserable link... I didnt even click it.

But..
how are we spoiled ass rotten? Because we are just like every other human on the planet and want to try new things, experience new places, weather, people and food, etc?

Maybe the reason people want to get out, and have life another way, is because they are far from spoiled, and would like to be more so.

You know what, I'm done with this. You are pointless to argue or debate with.

 

"You know what, I'm done with this. You are pointless to argue or debate with"

Maybe you would find more 'points' in a discussion where you address the topic.

"Please, enlighten me on how SIMPLE it is."

Relocating might not sound as difficult if you percieve it as pulling up your own roots and transplanting yourself in a surrounding with greater opportunities. .
where there's a will, there's a way.
Nobody said it was going to be easy.

 

It is as easy as going for a walk. A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step - Lao Tzu. I personally know people who had absolutely nothing and left home, at very young ages, to escape a bad scene. If you want to leave bad enough, you don't need much. I know that food, shelter, and security are very big concerns, but they are all achievable if you are determined. It is only when things get really bad that most people are willing to take the risk and hit the road with little or no money, because it is such a big risk. Things that I have heard they did to survive are not pretty... but they survived, and they escaped the place that they hated to be.

It is no picnic, and not for the faint of heart, but as Dylan says, "when you aint got nothin, you got nothin to lose."