What Michael Moore Has Taught Me About George W. Bush

I finally did it. I actually took a long peek at "Fahrenheit 9/11". On video (5 for twenty bucks at Hollywood Video. And you get to keep 'em all!!) Actually, I've pretty much avoided the flick like the plague since it was first released. Although I have read a lot of the good and bad things said about it. Because I knew it would be a totally depressing experience for me. And would basically tell me everything I need to know about Dubya and many of his supporters: That they are pretty much all just a bunch of greedy little liars. And usually have a shit eating grin on their washed out faces as they push and shove anybody with a conscience out of their way. Period.

More than anything, I have to say the flick made me sad. And totally disgusted. (I'm way beyond the pissed off point. I reached that one when Dubya broke into the White House the second time around.) I mean, Moore does an excellent job of exposing all the dishonesty and greed in Washington. And how Bush seems to spend more time shaking hands with the enemy (cuz of a little thing called oil) than actually doing anything truly positive for this country. Weapons of Mass Destruction? Nope. The real reason was oil. Young Americans being prepared to fight (and possibly die) for our country? Well, as long as the young Americans are from poor and lower income backgrounds. You just won't find any (okay, maybe one or two) sons and daughters of the wealthy prepared to die for America.

Yet Bush continues to rob the poor, and line the pockets of the rich? Even though the rich are not the ones sacrificing their lives. I mean, as if it's not enough to take away affordable housing, jobs, and health care from the poor. Then just ship 'em off to search for those elusive weapons of mass destruction. And when many of them die, and never make it back home to their loved ones? Well, they died for a country that couldn't have cared less for them at the start. They died so that greedy little men like George W. Bush can remain safe and alive. And continue to prosper. Period. I'd have to say that's a totally fucked up approach to things. Yeah, Michael Moore is not an easy teacher. But a brutally honest and necessary one. He puts a lot of people to shame. So I'm gonna go watch something a bit more uplifting now: How about "Super Size Me"?

Peace,

PD

 

PD, wish you were here. I'd shake your hand and offer you a beer. It's so refreshing to see other people who can look through the governing veil and see some of the crap that's really going on in this country. I am like you, I was leary of Mike Moore, I thought he would just be another liberal exteremist who was out to get his point across for a few moments in the limelight. But he hits the foundation of this country. The American people are so much about fighting that we just forgot what we want to fight for anymore. Kill 'em all, when the smoke clears we'll decide what we won. That seems to be the motto to the Secretary of State nowadays.
Yes, we need the oil to sustain our economy. But how many lives will it cost? Could it actually be more than it will procreate? Maybe not this time, but the spreadsheet is at a steady decline. Someday America could fall into the red if we allow leaders like GeeDubya to run the racket.
And the very common Bush is trying to push by leading is beginning to buckle under his own fragmented words. Too many Republicans have I approached only to find they may indeed have doubts of their Supreme Leader of 2004. Lately I've too been preaching about giving truth, I think we should take a look at how much of this precious commodity is left in our country, and how far GW is swaying from the bourgeois epicenter.

 

I didn't avoid it like the plague. But I couldn't see it in theatres because it was sold out all the time. I've been a fan of Moore since Roger and Me and his short-lived Bravo series The Awful Truth. But when he made Bowling for Columbine it woke me up that this was a person that America desperately needs to hear from.
He does an excellent job of gathering reliable information and even gives you the sources for some of his stuff, so you can see for yourself that he's not just bashing George Warmonger Bushit, but that it's all documented. Word for word. And while most of his movies will rile you up and get those emotions stirring, he has a genius wit about him that make his documentaries enjoyable, despite the fact that you could rip off Dubya's head and shite down his neck. Or whoever the target of his dissatisfaction may be.
But aside from agreeing with you on all points, I do have one thing to say in dissention from you: You say you were hesitant because of the mixed reveiews. That's all well and good for the latest doses of Hollywood dribble-piss, but for serious documentaries, it's always better to see it and judge for yourself as opposed to avoiding it because people have differing opinions. After all, who cares what Jerry Nobody of the Windy City Times thinks in the end? Yours is the only real opinion that counts. I mean, of course there were going to be denouncers. All of the right-wingers and close-minded Republicans and oil tycoons are going to put as much pressure as they can on trying to give the film a bad image, to discourage people from seeing it. Buy the tickets in advance and see it on opening night if you can, if only to piss off those old coffin-dodgers!

 

still, hes not exactly free from bias. michael moore is like a balance against the opposition. to be truelly informed you need to actively look for the information, otherwise your only shown what your wanted to be shown.

but i agree, bush sucks. but its not like anyone outside of america thinks otherwise anyway lol

 

Long live Michael Moore,Zappa & Firesign Theater

 

Hey Confessor, thanks for your insightful comment. Yeah, the truth is not something you are gonna get from Dubya. Ever notice how his eyes dart back and forth when somebody asks him an intelligent question? And yet he is fond of telling the world how much he depends on God for guidance and such? WTF? Damn, guess we can add hypocrite to his long list of accomplishments. I can remember when Nixon was in the White House, and how America had seemingly reached an all time low. But guess what? GW makes Nixon look like a saint.

Peace,

PD

 

Michael Moore Is A Fuckin Idiot. His Movies Are Bullshit. He Thinks He Represents The "workin Class" Haha Fat Ass Got Jokes

 

Id still like to know how this fat-ass is seen as a hero to all of you, his movies are biased as fuck and he admits it (At least he's honest about it), all his movies are basic drama, emotion enducing bull that he's been most famous for. Barely any content at all in my tastes, maybe 2 or 3 things the movie gave was facts the rest was biased dramatized bull that were ripped from real facts in which are washed aside to make way for cheezy humor and lil skits

 

supersize me was not as good as it could have been....... the guy went on and on about how unhealthy mcdonalds food is, but he didnt really offer anything in exchange for fast food, like what SHOULD we eat then... i think his vegan chef girlfriend should've been showed a little more and given some chances to rap about food...anyway id suggest reading fast food nation instead, thats something that truly exposes the fast food industries for what they are and all of the harsh realities involved with them and how they developed and came to be, not just showing the obvious that fast food is not good for us and that millions of us eat it everyday without question...

 

Thank you for the awesome comment. Yeah, I actually like the intelligent humor that Moore uses in his flicks. Because the whole experience might easily become too depressing to keep on watching. Yet the humor helps to keep you there. And he does frequently provide sources (even though his clueless critics like to pretend he does not). I mean, only a deaf, dumb and blind man could ever try to claim that Dubya gives a damn about this country. Hello? He only cares about the people that he feels obligated to the most--wealthy Americans. Period. And that's why it is such an easy thing for him to take away jobs, housing, and health care from some of the most vulnerable citizens in America. He only sees dollar signs. He really is such a nice little Christian, huh? *rolling my eyes*

Peace,

PD

 

Oh well. At least Moore knows how to use caps. *tongue in cheek* (Actually, your writing style reminds me of how Bush copes with the world: A sad attempt at trying to bully anybody that actually has the balls and brains to challenge all the lies and half assed attempts at playing "President.") Dream on....

Peace,

PD

 

Then you must have slept through most of the movie. I suggest you give it another go. I mean, if you actually give a damn about ALL Americans (and not just the ones in the upper income brackets).

Peace,

PD

 

I don't like Michael or his films.. i do apreciate him making films like this though. However biased and pandering it might be.. I always thought nobody could realy string these kind of conspiracys together and keep a straight face...but i was very wrong.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

The reason i am glad is that even if his view is a typical 'hicks' view of the whole situation with not much thought for any real objective perspective .. people start thinking.

I doubt very much he will put any of his wrongs right or update any of his last few films ..or make a film about the last election...cuz he sorta left florida with his tail between his legs with nothing much to report on hahahaha.

I think i had a slight unbiased apreciation of the topics he dicussed in his films before i watched it ..and some of it even to me seemed like opportunistic bullshit.. best thing i found was to look into his 'claims' and see how wrong right he is..I think he is very wrong..not completly of course everything has a grain of truth i suppose.

I wish he includes the rest of the world in his 'damning' films..i suppose that would confuse the point he is trying to convince people on..

Although i don't agree with him a awful lot..i think http://www.mtcp.co.uk/ does the whole campaign/protest/investigative journalism thing a whole lot better.

 

Actually, you must not have read my original post with an open mind. For I stated quite clearly that (for the longest time) I avoided Moore's flick about Dubya (like the plague). So I doubt I am "blindly" following anybody. As far as any ridiculous conclusions Moore might have come up with--it only seems ridiculous when you are "blindly" believing that corrupt and opportunistic people in office (like sweet little old Dubya) are incapable of harming human beings on purpose. And all for the love of money. That's why it's called greed.

As a disabled person myself, I see the damage done by Bush: I've actually lost several disabled friends to suicide because they could not cope with losing their therapists, housing, and sometimes even their much needed meds. Because they could not afford the co-payments and such. Also, I've watched the homeless situation get three times worse since Bush graced us with his compassionate heart *rolls eyes* (I live downtown), and I've seen how homeless people (many of them profoundly mentally ill) are frequently treated like criminals. In fact, the American jail system has become a kind of new asylum for many mentally ill folks in crisis. Because there are very few places where disabled people can go now for true help. It is a very ugly crisis. And Bush is doing nothing to make it any better.

In fact, his weird obsession with totally getting rid of Medicaid (compare the so-called Medicaid fraud to the amount of money he has wasted on this "ridiculous" war) speaks volumes about the man. He's purposely making things worse. He has no ethics or morals whatsoever. To purposely take away housing and health care from some of our most vulnerable citizens? Because he claims we need to fix the budget. Then he goes and wastes obscenely huge amounts of our tax dollars on this war that he just cannot figure out the true purpose of. Is it because of 9/11? Weapons of mass destruction? To help other people (in far away lands) whose rights are being trampled on, when he continues to trample on the rights of the poor and disabled right here in America? Or maybe it really is all about oil and greed (as Moore suggests). Yet Dubya brags about being a good little Christian, and asking God for guidance daily. WTF?

Consequently, I already knew that Bush is the worst American president we have ever had to somehow survive. Yeah, he does totally put Nixon to shame. Big time. I did not need Michael Moore to teach me that. But Moore's brilliant movie brought all the petty ugliness to the surface: Greed, prejudice, hypocrisy, and borderline insanity (what Christian God is Bush praying to? Everything he does is the opposite of what Christ taught. And has he ever heard of a little thing called the ten commandments? Hello?). That is the stuff that Dubya is made of.

Peace,

PD

 

Have you spent much time in America? Because many of the "typical hicks" you mentioned helped to put Dubya back in the White House. I think they call themselves the Religious Right? *sigh* Yeah, I really can't imagine Michael Moore (with that crazy ball cap of his) doing the holy roller's bit in some southern Baptist church. *rolling my eyes* So I'm afraid he does not have much in common with those misguided American "hicks" you seem to know so much about, and like to compare him to.

Peace,

PD

 

ok first off, dont take my reply as defending Bush because im not...at all


Im straight with the hippy movement, all the anti war stuff anti bush stuff, whatever man its no big deal to me.

But come the fuck on...you gotta have a better referance then michael moore. its obvious hes jsut hopping ont he fuck bush badwagon for celebrity status. 99% of what he says is undocumented...aka he is a fuckin liar. You want a movie that tells the truth? 100% documented evidence?

9/11 the road to tyranny.

 

Oh yeah, Upper income alright...im living the high life in my one bedroom apartment shared with three others in 90 degree heat during the night and nearly a 100 during the day, getting a tan....no wait my skin is already brown, sucking off my 99cent bottle of luke warm Brisk Iced Tea, while working jobs fixing roofs and mixing cement. And riding my bike 11 to 15 miles each morning and back on my twenty year old bike thats been rusted to the core, all the while wearing my oh so flashy 5 year old shirt and 6 year old pants. then coming home and trying to scrabble some change up just to wash a few t-shirts and underwear, so i can go out on the town like the Fat cat that i am and start wondering round the Mall and Plaza's so i can get a job to start a savings fund for my oh so extravagant community college........

Oh yeah i truly give a damn, i really do, i appreciate those in the upper income brackets Why? because i work for them ive been on thier roof ive seen down the blouse of thier Hot young mistresses, and they pay really damn good....otherwise id shoot em all to hell

 

Ummm, I think it is stretching it a bit to suggest that 99% of what Moore says is undocumented. In fact, I thought most of the evidence he presented in his movie was compelling. And he does frequently name his sources. But bashing Moore is becoming almost as popular as bashing Bush. And I guess that's why it took me so long to get around to seeing this movie: I made the mistake of listening to his harshest critics.

Peace,

PD

 

No i have never been there in my life.. should i apologise for the word i used ?.. i think i should. You mention the 'religous right' putting Mr Bush back into the white house, i would imagine then those 'hicks' disagree with MM intensly ?. So no those are not the 'hicks' i am talking about. I was trying to be as less pompous as i could (failing miserably).. I realy meant anyone the 'average joe' . Am i misguided or swing towards the 'religous right' NO.. i hate religeon in all its forms.. i consider myself a 'average joe' .

The reason i am glad is that even if his view is the commonly held opinion of the whole situation (wich for all the will in the world is prety lame) with not much thought for any real objective perspective .. people start thinking.

Thats what i meant :&

It was not all the 'religous right' imho that put him back in, in that i think you mean people that find certain issues unappealing (e.g homosexual marriage), so what ?. Does that also mean they are 'gun ho' and don't give a shit or are misguided or idiots? .. Why is it that 'there' views are deemed wrong ?. Are they not liberal enough to 'give peace a chance' etc etc..Well i am and i still support the iraq war (what does that make me then ) ..It is realy hard not to seem like a real 'warmonger' . I can't quite crush my whole perspective on this down into one post..but anyway i hope i have been a bit more fair on the americans i was trying to talk about.