What the crap?!?

Why the hell does everyone assume that any woman in this forum is a feminist?

 

And is there something wrong with being a feminist?

 

Nothing. But you don't have to be a feminist to be interested in and supportiv of women's issues. I think that was Sunburst's point.

 

Oh shit, definitions again.


According to dictionary.com: "one who advocates for the equal rights of women."

If you're interested and supportive of women's issues...I don't know...it just seems that we're splitting hairs here. Feminist is not a dirty word. I find it unfortunate when people view it as this whole enormous specific identity when it COULD just represent the positive, collective advancement of women in the workforce, education, athletics, music, sex roles, etc.

To me, obsessing over the term feminist - whether you are one or not - seems to be missing the point that we're all in this together. And forget that "all women have different interests" typical rejection of feminism, because the very name of this forum suggests that these are issues about which women can share ideas and offer opinions. I don't simply assume that every woman in this forum is a feminist, I assume that every woman everywhere wants to express herself and live a full life.

 

cuz, you have to be smart to be a feminist and everyone knows females are smart. And of course there is always those guys that are feminists, those are the smart males...you hang on to them

 

hey boys,

i am female, i am a feminist as i think every woman should be. now there are always radicals, but please if you claim to not be a feminist do not take advantage of the benefits feminists have fought to get you. and don't assume that feminists don't also fight for equal rights for men also, because some if us do. it just so happens that over the years women have had more to fight for than men. so if you really are not a feminist please don't vote, or expect equal pay okay.
please feel free to not fight for anything but do not take advantage of the hours some of us put in to be treated as human rather than a gender.

sleep easy,
morna

you've had that thing in your pants all day???

 

I agree...it's really not a matter of better or worse or different levels of feminist radical thought, it's just the basic principle that you should have equal rights and treatment. And it's not that any individual woman HAS TO believe in that, but why ever wouldn't she?

 

im not a femenist.



i don't know much about it bar the equal right sthing and burning bras which i don't advocte[i prefer being supported in the breast area]


as you can see i really don't know much but i don't like sudo femenists...who believe in equal rights but that means...men have to be less than us to achieve this...like if a man hits a woman he can get fined but if a woman hits a man its laughed at. that kinda thing.


im in for a penny in for a pound.

if i hit someone i deserve to be hit back.

so i guess thats my only difficulty with some "femenism" cos i dunno much about the real femenism issues

 

this may shock you but i am a feminist and i wear a bra. any kind of violence is wrong. any kind of fundamentalist is dangerous, any woman who thinks that the fight for equality includes beng able to treat men with no respect is ignorant and unlearned in feminism and the history of woman's rights. i know that i am just as capable as any man and i know that all woman have potential and are often not taught how to use the potential they have. sorry to burst your bubble but if you want to be treated the same as a man and be paid in a job by what you can do not whether or not you are female then you are to some degree a feminist. not all feminists are women, i know male feminists. i am not happy for myself or any other woman to take a second sitting because they are female.if this is their choice so be it, but do not expect the rest of us to ride on your wave and please don't vote.

bra burning is symbolic - please think about you arguments before you use them.

morna

'any woman who wants to be treated equally to a man has no ambition'

 

Totally agree with Morna


I'm proud of the movement and what it has acheived.
That doesn't mean I think any less of men, quite the opposite. I believe that the universe is a balance of male and female. We should be equal, if one side (eg female) is kept down then we should work to redress the balance.

Having studied mythology and paganism I feel a great affintity with the Goddess/es. And totally see Lilith's point.

So yes I am a feminist, and proud of it. It's just mindset of mine, and only comes out when relevant or to tease.

 

How can this bra burning be symbolic?, please explain. Also, I find your statements contradictory... you say that being a feminist is not trying to treat males as inferior compared to females but to treat everyone according to their characteristics(not referring to gender). Then if this is what you support and claim that you are a feminist yourself then, why did you then say "any woman who wants to be treated equally to a man has no ambition"?

 

mmmkay, i must be missing something here but Morna, why did u repeatedly say "if u're not a feminist please dont vote" ?? I'd like to understand that idea.

 

I think morna is confused when it comes to feminism.

 

http://www.tomatonation.com/youare.shtml This should be required reading.

 

im pretty convinced she is, yea...

 

After reading it,

Drowsy , sleepy Jedi: "Yes I am... Yes I am... Yes I am ... Yes I am ... Yes I am..."

 

'you say that being a feminist is not trying to treat males as inferior compared to females but to treat everyone according to their characteristics(not referring to gender). Then if this is what you support and claim that you are a feminist yourself then, why did you then say "any woman who wants to be treated equally to a man has no ambition"?' - quote Jedi

hi,
first of all, you need to learn how to use punctuation and articulate your arguments because if you actually know what you think, you have no idea how to express yourself. no offence intended.

the bra was, i think, invented by a man. i should rest my case here but you may need further explanation. to publically burn the bra is to shake off a conformity forced onto women by men. it is therefore symbolic. i know woman who wear a bra because it is expected by society. these same women do not enjoy wearing a bra.

okay, next one. feminists fought to get the vote for women. some women died. to take the vote and be a woman, and not be a feminist is hypocritical and god forbid you be a hypocrite right??? it is like not being part of a trade union and disagreeing with a union, but taking full advantage of the pay rises they fight for. you get me now... i can't put it any clearer. you think its your right to vote, well think on who fought to get you that right and have that right realised.

i would love for jedi to reply with an articulate argument. your a guy right?

the definition given by the valkyrie is pretty much spot on. woman for many years have been treated by their biological difference to men. there is a difference between biology and gender.

jedi, did you notice the quote marks "any woman who wants to be treated equally to a man has no ambition" - well that was the give away right there that that was a QUOTE!!!

peace and love,

Morna

if you need any further expansion you can go and read some books or slag me off further here, but remember, "opinions are like assholes and everyones got one" - that was a quote see. its clever right.

 

All these ideas strike me as a bit confusing, and as I said before, the entire discussion seems unecessary.

Human beings, male and female, should be treated fairly. The bottom line is that women have been disproportionately ill-treated for thousands of years, and this is not a pleasant reality. We must work to appreciate the variant strengths of all people, that's all there is to it.

Semantics are ridiculous.

 

Haha, good post. I didn't see that it was a quote, my most sincere apologies, and don't worry about offending me, I appreciate good criticism... but you have to forgive me when it comes to using right punctuations because english is not my first language.

Also you are right when it comes to women who say they are not feminists but enjoy all the rights that so many great souls have died to get. Everyone is actually a feminist here, not just women, but men too. The reason for this is simple, that is... due to feminism most minorities got protection as well.
So almost everyone is a feminist because everyone belongs to some group.

 

I agree, and that was very well said.