whatever you do don't start experimenting with syringes

I used to be someone who wanted to go to the extremes...eventually i spent a year in psychiatry/detox for addiction. Don't touch opiates..and also don't think shooting up meth is innocent ^^.

I got to hear by so many people that i should never try to shoot up..but curiousity is human nature..just please imagine this:

A blunt needle, used over 20 times. You either don't have money or are to desperate to get the rush to buy new syringes. However, the needle is to frigging blunt, your veins to tin and broken to be able to pierce it with the needle..so in a mania you begin trying all kinds of different areas on your arms..untill you eventually somehow manage to do it, but leaving behind a bloody (litterally) mess.

but this is said probably over a thousands of times here..i'm actually a little angry with so much encouragement for drug use. most people are fine with drugs, but the few who do manage to get really addicted are screwed for life, and i've seen people in rehab..they all started out like me, smoke a joint with friends to be cool, they ended up wasting their lifes, many of them having been a addict for too long to ever lead a clean life again.

i just had to post this here. this place is part of my early drug use, i just don't think drugs are something to experiment with..because you never know what the future will bring and how you react with addicting substances.

 

Are you off the needle now?

I still remember your thread about trying to stop using the needle.. then you disappeared.

 

Yes, a week or two after that i got taken into psychiatry..and then eventually rehab, got out this summer vacation. funny that people here remember me ^^.

 

I think this thread should be more clear about not using the needle with opiates and methamphetamine.

I have used the needle with dpt and a few other psychedelics with good success, I certainly do not have the desire to inject an old rusty needle in my arm, nor do I have track marks as I mainly do im injection.

I did experience some problems with ketamine via injection though so I appreciate your warning and I'm glad you have been able to shake your problems with it.

 

I stay away from hard drugs (aside from alcohol at times), because I realize the dangers associated with them.

I don't know if where you are from, there is as much information on the subject out in the open; but the Internet could've also told you of drug horrors.

When you go to a forum meant for 'hippies', that has forums dedicated to drug use, and calls itself a 'free speech' forum, you should have some idea of what you're going to get.

That being said, I'm glad you've been able to get clean.

My dad died of alcoholism, but his father started a chapter of AA after getting clean.

Are you completely sober now?

 

yes, even from cigarettes, last time was drinking 2 bottles of codein coughing syrup, wich is now 3 weeks ago (and 3 days!)..and i havn't injected anything for 2 months.

 

^ well, keep up the good work.

The hardest part about quitting smoking for me was becoming a non-smoker. But I'm sure they prepped you and excited you for your new life in rehab..

 

kind of..i still often just wish to just relapse..as being clean is boring..but somewhere i just like a life without all the drama for once..next step now is to find natural happyness

 

to be fair i had a cardiac arrest two days after i left rehab from a heavy relapse...i got to hear for the psychiatrist there that releasing people from rehab is always a gamble.

 

also off the benzo's since 2 days ago...trouble sleeping now tho..but it will be better in long terms

 

I've done a wide variety of drugs from hard to soft (lol).
I think it's just certain individuals that shouldn't go experimenting with these things, and I find from personal experience that these people tend to know who they are before they start doing these things.
The only thing I've gotten any addiction to is alcohol. Which I'm about to limit to once a week.

 

you only read what you want to read..

With that being said: Its not the drugs, its the self destructive behavior of the individual using substances to escape..
There are people that guzzle whip cream because they are overweight: caught up in a self destructive pattern and while they blame food - they continue to use it as a weapon against themselves; how convenient..

As it is now convenient for you to blame all your self-destructive behavior on drugs.. When unable to purchase them you proceed to cutting and other self mutilations..

Do you think later on you might consider making a thread to bash Gillette, Schick, Remington Razors for all the scars on your body?..

While I wish you success in your recovery. The decision to come here and Nancy Reagan preach to people not in your condition, is well to put it simple: a self loathing hypocrisy.(pretending to have beliefs in the things you say, while trying to make others believe they are headed down the same path as you..

Ill will not disagree with you. There is some reckless behavior, but for as long as Ive know most members with Hip Forum. They check themselves pretty quick.. or they disappear forever to be no longer flamed for their poisonous activities, and they actually READ the advice of senior and respectable members here..


Wish you all the best.. :love:

 

Hey seriously..i'm just really concerned about the young aged people starting the experiment with hard drugs..even if you are not the type that likes to escape, a lot of shit can suddenly happen in your life...and hard drugs is a bad way out. I think drugs are overrated here. end of it. I saw to much misery in rehab to still think its any good, for whatever person.

edit: ffs..don't call me a hypocrat. There is no drug that is good. Psychedelics are a very intense temporary self-induced psychosis wich leaves scars for the rest of your life. Weed makes you not care shit about anything. Alcohol makes you out of control. I'm not even going to start about the hard drugs. I have been in the junkie undersociety..i know that its just some individuals who end up like that..but even tho..i just can't approve of this. And just please, you have no idea about my past and who i am..i remember your name quite well..two years ago you were also really..how should i put it..you managed to make me angry every time. I don't know how it is in america, but i live in a area where drugs are a plague..i've been with the homeless junkies.. anyway..stop attacking me everytime, what is it you dislike so much about me?

 

I don't know what era you are from, but we don't live in the sixties anymore. and i was selfdestructive because i needed the endorfins from it to be happy. I havn't done cutting a while nor any other selfdestructive behaviour..since i have no reason for that anymore.

its just seriously ridiculous how ignorant people are about drugs here. These forums arn't real life..its all nice being a psychonaut and exploring the unknown..*sighs* this ignorance makes me mad.

either take my advice or not say anything at all. I HAVE NEVER BEEN HELPED DURING ALL THE SHIT I WENT TROUGH LAST 3 YEARS ON THIS FORUMS, i have done so many shouts for help, and everytime i got flamed, even when i overdosed on pills as a suicide attempt..i got fucking joked at. (and orison, i think you were one of them) ..what kind of behaviour is that?

if you just knew the nightmares i had to go trough to become clean again...

 

Now, if this were true, we wouldn't have medicine

None of my trips have done anything but positive long term. Raised my empathy for others. Made me feel more connected to life. Made me feel more like myself again when I was feeling alienated. And most importantly, settled me with my bad childhood, allowing me to let go and finally move on and stop pouting.

Not true. My friend is a major stoner, smokes daily, and he's never missed a day of work.

Depends majorly on the person, how much the person drinks, etc.

I do agree with you about drugs like crack, heroin, and meth. I don't see much good that can come from them; and I've seen them wreck many lives.

But it isn't like drugs are magic. The user is responsible for how and what they use. I've seen money, gambling, sex affliction, junk food, even religion ruin lives too. We don't blame these things and tell everyone to run away from them.

A big part of rehabilitation is accepting responsibility, is it not?

Then, I just don't get why so many reformed users become so anti-drug.



Oh, and don't take the rhetoric too personally. If a person disagrees, they just have a different viewpoint; it doesn't make anyone bad or wrong.

 

i don't know..these forums just have alot of bad memories for me. I don't know if returning is such a good idea. look, i have my ideas about drugs..i remember a heroin addict who used over 10 years (heroin) told me that i just didn't had enough misery yet, when i asked him on better injection techniques..that was long time ago, after that alot of shit happened..drugs isn't the same anymore for me as it once was. the point is, sometimes you have to experience the shit yourself before you realise how bad it actually is.

 

here in belgium the drug scene is apperently alot different then in america, i live close the the netherland border, and alot of the dutch drug mob resides in our little province..its ridicolous that very famous heroin dealers don't even have to change their phone number for over 5 years. We don't deal things like oxycontin and pills like that..its weed, psychedelics, ectasy, speed and heroin..the rest are rarities. i just still can't understand how anyone can be convinced that drugs are without bad effects..there is no balance in drug use..it will always affect your life..even in subtle ways. Yea i know people who smoke pot their whole lifes and are now 40+... so what, they make a living and all...but i would certainly not say they are unchanged by their habit..(i'm putting this very lightly..but maybe the weed here is just more high grade stuff then in america lol).

 

No one said that they don't have bad effects. We were just arguing that they aren't all bad.

It all depends on the user, the specific drug, how they use, etc. if a drug is good or bad for them to use.

Smoking too much weed can put me in a bit of a funk the next day; but my friend I mentioned earlier smokes every chance he gets and the most ill effect he gets is some hyperness.

I'm sure we all have met someone whose life was ruined by a drug; even if that drug was alcohol. But there are also people who use fine.

I think the key to preaching safe drug use, is to talk about responsibility, knowledge, and risk. Demonizing the drug only turns it into a taboo, which only makes some people more likely to try it.

 

There is no balance in drug use?

You are a failure at self control, you're already back on everything from opiates to benzos once you got out of rehab, as you've said. It's not needles, it's you. You, the kind of little shit that smokes weed to look cool, and goes from there. Of course needles can be misused, and I would NOT suggest injecting amphetamines or opiates, but you are the one stupid enough to walk into it, keep doing it, and lecture me about how you're doing it.

 

Thats true i guess. that was one of the reasons why it was so special to smoke a joint with my friends when i first started with it.. i have my doubts about responsible drug use tho..i met so many people who started with drugs..and it changed them. I'm on a huge collections of pills right now to keep my mood stable..i used to take heavy sedatives to be able to sleep. I wouldn't be able to tell people how they should inject the proper way knowing that they will try it out.