- When you know your about to be born -

Ok, so we for the most part know what its like to die on LSD, but have you ever had a rebirth experience (and I dont mean the aftermath and effects on perception) that during the awakening, it was far more powerful and painful than the death?
It's that feeling, when it comes, the universe stops, sound included, and you have a moment to breathe, but you know you are only comfortable because you are in the transition mode and that any moment, it's going to come back and this time you are really in for it :tongue: You are able momentarily to look at your surroundings to notice that they are frozen in time, and think to yourself "whew, thank God that was over" and then suddenly you realize, "Oh shit, here comes something" and the sound comes back to you, life starts moving and dancing into vibration again, and the noise is buzzing overwhelming to the max, it feels like your going to die again (but you already died, so you know it's not death) and you learn something in that moment. You learn something special, something far beyond the typical, inexpressable ancient truth we all Know while tripping, something that is so powerful that any concept you ever had about what you have figured out from your hundreds of psychedelic experiences is blown right out of it's false miscreation and back into the void.
The reason it is inexpressable, is because it is the Nothing, the absence of the absence of a thing. You were that at the moment of conception and you will go through that at the moment of physical death.
There are spiritual realizations, certain revelations that are so profound that one is left completley and totally unable to ever have a thought again in one's life that God is potentially not real. But then there is another kind of realization, and thought it is based in Love, you figure out how much of a joke our existance is. The dream becomes apparent to you, and all of your pain, sorrow, happyness, meditation, energy, insight, knowledge, expectations, relationships, and rounds of birth and death becomes nothing more than an alteration of a single Light. Dancing on the shadows of tomorrow as today which is the same as the past

 

The reason it is a joke, and one of the many reasons why we all realize this rebirth at different points in our lives (some of us never see it!) is because though we may understand that life, itself, is an undoing process, we still feel the natural human desire to control. We want to have control, if not over other people, over our own thoughts. We tell ourselves that we need to let the ego die and just become one, yet we still have thoughts (creations) and we cant handle not being in control of thought. Isn't this the reason why God took a rest on the seventh? And is this not also the reason why Satan (Mother Nature's hypnotic effects on the mind) emanated from Heaven, the very same source of Love? Control, just like hatred, jealousy, pain, physical means of healing, and any negative act or inention or thought, are unreal. They are not real! And they are definitley born with a fairly short expiration date. But then, what is real? What can we know, is the only reality, objectively, transcendentaly, purposefully, knowedgably? What can never be defeated, what was there at our birth and cradles us during death? What is the cause of all of this and that and in between? It's Love, and anything born out of love that tries to deny it's true nature is a miscreation, a misinterpretation, a false notion, a lie, Satan Himself. Love will overcome all evil and all obstacles, becase the evil in itself is born out of Love and is dissolved back into it.
But control. This is the most difficult part of the human experience to negate because it is the aspect of the mind that the majority believe should exist, when in fact it is just another temprary mental miscreation born out of ego. To control one's thoughts is to use the personality as a tool, "I dont like this thought, this thought is evil, this thought is positive and good, this thought is right and this thought is wrong". This kind of control is not acting out of God's Will, and is in no way attuned to Cosmic Intelligence. To be fully liberated, a free Soul, is to be in accord with God's Omnipresent Intelligence, the guiding thought of which Life and all vibrational matter is permeated by, conducted by, and a condensation of.
When we talk about Jesus, we say "Yea, dude was righteous." We say we should be like Him in His way's and His thoughts. But there is no being like Jesus, there is only realizing your own situation and falling into place properly. Jesus only said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you because your Kingdom, my Kingdom, and Jesus' Kingdom is One and the same Kingdom. There is no seperation, seperation, individualiy, identity, personality, opposites, etc are all illusions created by Satan, or Maya, or Mother Nature. Mother Nature is both good and bad, this is why I call Her Satan, when in fact She is both, but She is not God. She has a time limit just like all She contains. The temptation of Nature, to be attracted to evil temptations, is to live under the hypnotic spell of Nature, the veil of false reality, the Maya. To break free from this spell is to snap out of it, to wake up from the dream. To BE HERE NOW. To know, without any misunderstanding, that we are all the same exact thing. My soul, your soul, everyone's soul, is just a part of the whole. But the whole can never be realized as such until all of us go back, hence the 2nd coming of the Christ. Christ can not come back until we all realize His guiding intelligence which moves the Voice of God, the Holy Spirit, the Communion, the Aum, or the Om. The Om is the power of all universes. It is the Life Blood that runs in everything, like a current. Except the current is not contained to it's channel because even the channel is composed of the current.
But, how does Om know what to do? How does it 'construct' reality so perfectly, so flawlessly and in such amazing detail both macro and microcosmic? Because it is being guided by the Grand Conductor of this massive Cosmic symphony, the Christ, the Vision, the Intelligence that is also known as Universal Consciousness. This is God's thought process behind the scences, and when the Intelligence becomes your intelligence, the Father, God, the vibrationless Spirit which is beyond all comrehension and emotion, manifests as your reality.
Living in communion with God at every moment will not take thought and effort once maya is completley expelled from covering your 3rd eye. But the crown chakra need's first to be dusted off completley and purified. This, unfortunatley for us matter-bound humans, usually comes from pain and suffering, when we've had enough and turn our mind's back first to God, then to the Soul, then to God's nature at the heart of our Soul's.
Control is not in your hands, free will is a false miscreation (which you can only understand when you sit back and literally watch time unfold, then find yourself back where you began, utterly unable to alter the course of events which you foresaw as you pathetically try to come to terms with the fine line between sanity and insanity) and the only manner of free will have is twofold :
1. God will not force Himself upon us, because to do so, would deny the sad human attempts to control themselves.
2. We have an expiration date according to our karma.
This awakening in the Mind of God is not for a select few lucky people, it is everyone of your futures. Christ Consciousness is for all men, since we are all created equal. The only free will you have, is the amount of time you choose to waste before giving up your pleasure of the body and mind and hitting the books. The test is always there, waiting for you to take it. It's not going anywhere, you will take it sooner or later and the hardest part about it is the concept of control. Giving up control is one of the last part's of the ego to go, and after that you are Home. -

 

are you in a very long way describing what could be described as a kundalini experience...

 

Reading this last post has helped me a lot with my current state of my mind. Thank you

Edit: I meant the second post

 

"Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven"
Jesus said this to a dude one time. Become as little children, to become innocent, to awaken to Om and the presence of God as little children see it without having to even try, because they are pure, their souls have not yet had time to unravel past karma and become covered in current karma.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man can comes to the Father except through me."
Once Om is realized, we realize the Cosmic Intelligence, the Christ Consciousness that guides the cosmos. When we then come to attune our soul's with the SuperSoul, we gain objective comprehension of God. It is through divine perception, or the Vision of Christ, that we learn of the Father God.

"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep"
He does not mean that he will someday die to forgive us our sins that we may gain entry to the Kingdom, for He always said "Repent ye, for the Kingdom is at hand!" The Kingdom was not locked up it was just forgotten becuase of our neglecting the Soul and obsession with the body. When He said "I lay down my life..." He means Life, itself, is literally emanated out of Him, from the Father, and born of the Holy Spirit. Life is given us (eternal life, life of the Soul) by God's Love and Jesus, as many other cosmic conscious people have done, only after we first become pure as little children, then tune our mind's like radios into the guiding Inelligence, and finally when God becomes our reality, not our goal. -

 

Yea! Well, leading up to it in multiple post's, but, yea!

 

do you die on every acid/shroom trip?

or do you eventually just develop a 'self' that is functional at such levels
Or I guess rather you just become in tune with the self that is functional at such levels

But every time do you die? As in, reset your hard drive and have to reinstall and put your operating system all back together? Or do you eventually get to a point where you have a permanent operating system.

 

I continue to die, not every trip, but when my position in life deems it necessary, there is a complete reinstallation of OS. Sometimes it's just a defrag, other time's it's a networking, but most of them are just browsing and checking out youtube. Lately though, my trips have been beating me up pretty bad. I think, as long as we take LSD and other psychedelics, and experience effects both mental and physical from them, that we are not liberated. I believe that a truly illumined saint could take LSD and decide wether or not to allow the drug to effect him or her! I truly believe it. For the rest of us, I think we have so much to learn and LSD is just one of our means, in a small population on the Earth, and it is not necessary for everonye. But, for Us, it is, obviously

 

By the way, what I meant about beating up, is that the concept of God I have had this past year (come on, it's hard not to have SOME ideas!) is not exactly pure Love but the Mother Nature aspect is attached to the vibrationless spirit, thus resulting in my connection of Mercy and Learning, and as we all know, learning is a painful process. But now I feel that I am getting closer to finding the Intelligence, still not there of course, and my knowledge of God begins and ends with Love. Still, a mind under the influence of psychedelics is far from in control of itself, in fact at times I feel as if even my own body is being controlled (which, in a programming code concept of creation, it most definitley is) and the 'beating up' is just an undoing of connecting God with Nature. This sense of seperation needs to be figured out because although God created Nature and pervades it, Nature is not God, if you follow what I mean.

 

I know what you mean, nature isn't God

but don't we have to keep atleast a certain portion of our mind connected with nature? Perhaps not the level of the mind which is connectable to pure god. But a layer on top? Or below. It always seemed to me you must maintain that certain pyschic connection with gaian conciousness in order to operate effectively on earth.

 

Oh totally! I fully agree with this. The mind IS nature, it is a reflection of nature and nature is a reflection of mind. Gaian consciousness is not only respectful and commendable, but is where our minds should constantly be at, devoted to our Mother because She is a reflection of God's thought, and taking care of Her as we should take care of ourselves.
But what I was more getting at, is that the mind is limited, the mind is a product of Nature and can thus only perceive that which it is. But it is the Soul which should be linked with God. When this happens, the mind and body accordingly follow, and while the mind may be concerned with the Self (in the all-encompassing sense of being connected to and One with all Nature) and desire to keep the Self in all of us healthy because this is our dharma, the Soul should forever be what is driving your mind, not the other way around. It is the ego that is a product of thought, and not the other way around. Thought isnt a bad thing, but it is an incomplete, subjective, seperate from God and matter bound thing, and it is only the Soul that allows the concept of trascendence to even be thought about. Transcending thought is (after control) the hardest part of meditation because to sit in silence and turn off your connection to your sense telephones requires much devotion and will power. But once the connection is shut off, I mean completley shut off, this is when the soul is realized. I mean it's only blind belief in the soul until you objectively transcend thought, time, and space, and experience it as not only yours but all of our true nature. Coming back is caused by consciousness, even Christ Consciousness comes out of meditation and gets back on the phone with the mind and body. But I do believe there is a state where a yogi is so in tune with his or her soul that they can chose the moment of death. (I believe that Yogananda did this actually).

 

As I said many times, we need to realize that God is not our toy (we can't be in control), we are his toy and our feelings are the strings that God pulls. Don't ever refuse to be his pupet!
Belive it or not, but I don't even have visuals any more even on high doses of LSD, but feelings....there is definitely something else going on, I am not connected to physical layer of reality at all. Its like I am going to the same place where we go when we sleep, die, where we are born from. I feel every day more and more "there" even sober, but transfering the feelings to this reality. It is very difficult to explain, but it goes very good with what you were saying Relayer through this post. And yes, LOVE is the most important part of it!

 

i believe that we are given free will so that we may live as we choose. if this is not the way it is then i don't really see any point to it all - what would be the point of living a life that you have no choice? not really a life at all unless to be tested, rewarded and punished as we learn how to take responsibility for our own actions.

as we resist temptation we feel closer to god, the light or if we are not spiritual we know we are a good person because of the good choices we make. this temptation shows us that we are indeed in control. if we were not in control we would not be tempted.

 

But 3xi, who punishes you? Who rewards you? Do you think God would actually punish someone? God is Love and Mercy, I cant imagine Him punishing anyone. It is us who punishes ourselves by acting improperly. Mother Nature is not personal, she doesnt choose to destroy and create. She just does it. Free Will is an illusion, because like I said, control is the absolute most difficult screen of maya to turn off. But when you see it, when you see that everything you do is already planned out, you will understand. Karma is not something that just happens, karma is a blue print, more advanced than your DNA, and therefor it is already programmed. You can either act with suprise when life throws interesting situations your way, or you can know that God already knew.
And please remember when I say these things, they come from experience and are my opinions, no matter how many or how few agree with them. Im not here to say your all horrible unbelievers and need to be taught, Im just sharing what has been shared with me. *

 

n people wonder why i cant explain it to them,,,, glad you are attempting to do it rather than i .... lol

though i do wonder are we only supposed to be able to do such things under the influence of acid n other hallucinogenics, since this seems to be the forum where you post all this stuff?

 

haha Well I've tried posting this stuff in the Christianity forum, but when I started comparing the Holy Spirit to Om, I was called delusional, and when I said we can all tap into Christ Consciousness I was called insane :tongue:
I have posted similar threads in Hinduism forum, but all I got was "Yea, we know friend, welcome " So I post them here because it seems that people who are taking LSD are finding God but dont know what to do about it because they are using their minds rather than their souls. I figure it's my dharma to share with those who have little to no understanding of yoga. We hear karma all the time, but people dont understand the roots of karma and how it is not just retribution and repremandation, it IS EXISTANCE! We hear charka discussion, we hear nirvana a lot, we hear samadhi, but it seems, not for all of us but for many who are interested, they are currently relying on their comprehension of something that is incomprehensible. So Im just trying to help people who decide to try, how to break past the mind and enter the soul. Part of this thread is split in my other thread Meditation For The Masses. Yet only one person responded to it while the views are high. I wonder why that is? Possibly because there is nothing more the be said on it, meditation is not difficult and needs no technique. Just shut off the mind and step into the Kingdom of Heaven
Kundalini is a technique however, but I dont believe you need techniques to get to it, other than the basic form of dyahna. Some will argue this but I say balance your lifestyle, devote your love to God, and meditate on the realization that you cannot touch the Absolute because you are the absolute, and so is everything else.

 

i understand ya,,, lol,,, to me it isnt all that hard to grasp it no matter what angle of faith/ religion whatever you wanna call it you are coming from,,, i dunno why it is for som any,,, in is all intertwining, i guess that it hard for some to fathom that the holy spirit what ever you choose to call it is the same,,, i think it has to do with the label thing personally,,,, we need a label to give ourselves and our practices beliefs etc, n to be all encompassing is just pure insanity in and of itself let alone to not have a name for it that everyone can identify with....

have ya gotten to the rebirth part of all this yet.... when ya do holler i got a question or two ... i just dont wanna ruin the cycle of events ya have goin n you use such big words in yer posts that it hurts me brain to read it all...

 

Well here's the thing, the rebirth is something I've not gotten to yet. I have some idea of what it's like, and have had many minor rebirth's, but not the total one. The minor rebirth what I mentioned in the first post, about how time stops, you talk to God, and then before your eyes life starts slowing coming back to, well, life. Animation I guess is the word for it. But the Kundalini awekening is something I've not attained, though I feel that I have had the early signs of it coming, such as perception of the subtle electricities, watching time play out and then rewinding then playing out again uncontrollably, intense feelings of a deja vu that I know I've preconceived, several miracles that other's call coincedence when I know what they really are , and so on. This is not psychic stuff this is just breaking down the boundaries of time and space. We hear people talking about seeing trails on LSD, some think it's just a trippy effect, some think it's perceiving energy, but I've seen that it is time and space chopping apart, and if you can tweak your 'vision' you can literally watch time unfold at any rate of frequencey you like. Another thing that I've been blessed with, and it only happened once, was I had total, I mean complete communion, with Om. I was no longer hearing it, it wasnt the enviorment buzzing with the same energy, it was the voice of God and I spoke back to it, in a language older and at the same time newer than any ancient memory we all automatically share. The language of flight, of discovery, of math and music, these all stem from the same seed, Om. I was blessed with this communion and it hasent happened again, I hear it, feel it, understand it, but I havent had the vision of Intelligence since that moment. But even still, Om is just an emanation of the Intelligence, it's not God but rather a vehicle to usher souls home

 

this isnt psychic stuff,,, oh i know i been fighting that line for frikkin ever lil brother,,,, but trying to explain it is a whole different story....

oddly enough i had never done lsd til a couple years ago,,,, knowingly anyway,,hhb swears i was fed it in my baby bottle ... and what i have done(not much ) hasnt been anything spectacular,,, but it also makes it very hard for me to understand the whole hallucinogenics that people associate with most of what i have experienced in life without having ever really done them and not having the need to do them in order to experience such things. I have never studied such things (sprituality etc )or even was interested in such things until after the fact... n realized at some point while all the craziness was happening it was something to do with god, creation, time etc,,, so i am interested in suchthings n know alot bout such things but have no background or anything to go from other than what i have educated myself with over the years n it aint much i guess i just have never needed the reasons behind it or anything, it just is and was....

i can telly ya from expereince though the awakening is the most absolutely amazing ,crazy weird indescribable thing i have ever had n have never actually had an opportunity to discuss fully with anyone,,, after about 5 sentences they are so lost that its not worht the effort of trying to put into words

 

first off i don't believe in a god like you do. or my definition of god is a little different - i think.

i am god, we are god, mother nature is god, the universe is god etc, etc, we are all one, all a part of it.

of course we punish ourselves and we reward our selves in accordance with the natural laws of the universe.

my point is that we were given free will to live as we choose for a reason - this is life. to suggest that we should not control our thoughts or not think for ourselves is ridiculous. with no choice and no control there is no point to it all. life is a journey, a lesson learned. we are individuals - gods of our own creation and our own demise.