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  1. paintingjames

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    TESLA & MARCONI

    by

    David Hatcher Childress

    from "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla"


    The relationship between Tesla and Marconi is a fascinating one! While Tesla has become a popular figure to revisionist scientists in the last ten years, Marconi is still largely unknown and seen as a usurper of Tesla's inventions. Yet Guglielmo Marconi (1874-1937) was a brilliant scientist, and, in fact, Tesla's close friend.

    Unlike Tesla, Marconi was a good businessman, socially adept, and was able to manage a sizable financial and manufacturing empire. When Marconi allegedly died in 1937 (while still a relatively young and healthy man) he was a multimillionaire, lived on a luxury yacht, and was probably the most knowledgeable man in the world at the time in the practical application of Tesla Technology.

    In the esoteric writing of the Latin countries, Marconi has achieved a near legendary status, much as Tesla has recently in the United States. But most Tesla students are unaware that Marconi was supposed to have founded a secret high-tech city in the remote southern jungles of Venezuela. The great Italian scientist Guglielmo Marconi was a former student of Tesla's. Marconi studied radio transmission theory with Tesla and made his first radio transmission in 1895. Marconi was fascinated by the transmission of power, and in 1896 received a British patent and sent a signal nine miles across the Bristol Channel. In 1899 he successfully set up a wireless station to communicate with a French station 31 miles across the English Channel.

    It was thought that the curve of the earth's surface would limit radio transmission to 200 miles at the most. When on December 11, 1901, Marconi transmitted a signal from Poldhu, Cornwall, to St. John's Newfoundland, 2000 miles away, he created a major sensation. For this Marconi replaced the wire receiver with a coherer, a glass tube filled with iron filings, which could conduct radio waves. At the time there was no scientific explanation for this phenomenon of long-distance transmission, and it was postulated that there was a layer in the upper atmosphere the ionosphere which reflected back electromagnetic waves.

    MARCONI THE MYSTERIOUS

    Marconi was the son of a wealthy Italian landowner and an Irish mother. When his first transmission in 1895 had not interested Italian authorities, he had gone to Britain. The Marconi Wireless Telegraph Company was formed in London in 1896 and Marconi made millions off his inventions.

    Marconi and Tesla are both given credit for the invention of the radio. Marconi's historical radio transmission utilized a Heinrich Hertz spark arrester, a Popov antenna, and an Edouard Bramely coherer for his simple device that was to go on to become the modern radio.

    Marconi was given the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1909 jointly with Karl Ferdinand Braun, who made important modifications which considerably increased the range of the first Marconi transmitters.

    Like Tesla, Marconi was a mysterious man in his later years and was known to perform exotic experiments, including some in anti-gravity, aboard his yacht Electra. Marconi's yacht was a floating super-laboratory, from which he sent signals into space and lit lights in Australia in 1930. He did this with the aid of an Italian physicist named Landini by sending wave train signals through the earth, much as Tesla had done in Colorado Springs.

    In June of 1936 Marconi demonstrated to Italian Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini a wave gun device that could be used as a defensive weapon. In the 1930s such devices were popularized as death rays as in a Boris Karloff film of the same name. Marconi demonstrated the ray on a busy highway north of Milan one afternoon. Mussolini had asked his wife Rachele to also be on the highway at precisely 3:30 in the afternoon. Marconi's device caused the electrical systems in all the cars, including Rachele's, to malfunction for half an hour, while her chauffeur and other motorists checked their fuel pumps and spark plugs. At 3:35 all the cars were able to start again. Rachele Mussolini later published this account in her autobiography.

    Mussolini was quite pleased with Marconi's invention. However, it is said that Pope Pius XI learned about the paralyzing rays and took steps to have Mussolini stop Marconi's research. According to Marconi's followers, Marconi then, after faking his own death, took his yacht to South America in 1937.

    SECRET CITY IN SOUTH AMERICA

    A number of European scientists were said to have gone with Marconi, including Landini. In 1937, the enigmatic Italian physicist and alchemist Fulcanelli warned European physicists of the grave dangers of atomic weapons and then mysteriously vanished a few years later. He is believed to have joined Marconi's secret group in South America.

    Ninety-eight scientists were said to have gone to South America where they built a city in an extinct volcanic crater in the southern jungles of Venezuela. In their secret city, financed by the great wealth they had created during their lives, they continued Marconi's work on solar energy, cosmic energy, and anti-gravity. Working secretly and apart from the world's nations, they built free-energy motors and ultimately discoid aircraft with a form of gyroscopic anti-gravity. The community is said to be dedicated to universal peace and the common good of all mankind. Believing the rest of the world to be under the control of energy companies, multinational bankers and the military-industrial complex, the story goes, they have remained isolated from the rest of the world, working subversively to foster peace and a clean, ecological technology on the world.

    We have information on this astonishing high-tech city from a number of sources. In South America the story is a common subject among certain metaphysical groups. Says the French writer Robert Charroux in his book The Mysteries of the Andes (1974, 1977, Avon Books), the Ciudad Subterranean de los Andes, is discussed in private from Caracas to Santiago. Charroux goes on to tell the story of Marconi and his secret city, plus the story of a Mexican journalist named Mario Rojas Avendaro, who investigated the Ciudad Subterranean de los Andes (Underground City of the Andes) and concluded that it was a true story. Avendaro was contacted by a man named Nacisso Genovese, who had been a student of Marconi's and was a physics teacher at a high school in Baja, Mexico.

    Genovese was an Italian by origin and claimed to have lived for many years in the Ciudad Subterranean de los Andes. Sometime in the late 1950s he wrote an obscure book entitled My Trip to Mars. Though the book was never published in English, it did appear in various Spanish, Portuguese and Italian editions.

    TESLA TECHNOLOGY

    Genovese claimed that the city had been built with large financial resources, was underground, and had better research facilities than any other research facility in the world (at that time, at least). By 1946 the city already used a powerful collector of cosmic energy, the essential component of all matter, according to Marconi's theories, many of which he had derived from Tesla.

    In 1952, according to Genovese, we traveled above all the seas and continents in a craft whose energy supply was continuous and practically inexhaustible. It reached a speed of half a million miles an hour and withstood enormous pressures, near the limit of resistance of the alloys that composed it. The problem was to slow it down at just the right time.

    According to Genovese, the city is located at the bottom of a crater, is mostly underground, and is entirely self-sufficient. The extinct volcano is covered in thick vegetation, is hundreds of miles from any roads, and is at thirteen thousand feet in the jungle mountains of the Amazon.

    The French author Charroux expressed surprise and disbelief at the statement that the city was on a jungle-covered mountain that was 13,000 feet high. Yet the eastern side of the Andean cordillera has many such mountains, from Venezuela to Bolivia, spanning thousands of miles. Several such cities and mountains could exist in this vast, unexplored, and perpetually cloud-covered region.

    Yet a secret city in a jungle crater was the least of the claims. Genovese insisted that flights to the Moon and Mars were made in their flying saucers. He claimed that once the technology had been conquered, it was relatively simple to make the trip to the Moon (a few hours) or Mars (several days). Genovese does not mention pyramids or what they did on Mars. Perhaps they created a Martian base in one of the ancient, sand-blown pyramids of the Cydonia region.

    There have been many reports of UFOs in South America, especially along the edge of the mountainous jungles of the eastern Andes, from Bolivia to Venezuela. Is it possible that some of these UFOs are anti-gravity craft from the Ciudad Subterranean de los Andes?

    In light of highly reliable sources who claim that a Last Battalion of German solders escaped via submarine in the last days of WWII to Antarctica and South America, it is possible that the Germans may have high-tech super cities in the remote jungles of South America as well. A number of military historians such as Col. Howard Buechner, author of Secrets of the Holy Lance, maintain that the Germans had already created bases in Queen Maud Land, opposite South Africa during the war. Afterwards, German U-boats, in some reports as many as 100, took important scientists, aviators and politicians to the final fortress of Nazi Germany. Two of these U-boats surrendered in Argentina three months after the war. In 1947, the U.S. Navy invaded Antarctica, mainly Queen Maud Land, with Admiral Byrd in command. The Americans, it is reported, were defeated and several jets from the four aircraft carriers were said to have been shot down by discoid craft. The Navy retreated and did not return until 1957.

    According to the book Chronicle of Akakor, first published in German by the journalist Karl Brugger, a German battalion had taken refuge in an underground city on the borders of Brazil and Peru. Brugger, a German journalist who lived in Manaus, was assassinated in the Rio de Janeiro suburb of Ipanema in 1981. His guide, Tatunca Nara, went on to become Jacques Cousteau's guide on the upper Amazon. In fact, photographs of Tatunca Nara appear in Cousteau's large coffee-table book of color photographs called Cousteau's Amazon Journey. (For more information on Tatunca Nara, Karl Brugger, underground cities and Germans see my book Lost Cities and Ancient Mysteries of South America.)

    While the idea of secret cities in South America manufacturing flying saucers and battling the current powers of the world from their hidden jungle fortresses may sound too much like the plot of a James Bond movie, it appears to be rooted in fact! Based upon the above scenario, it may not be totally fantastic to suggest, as some authors have, that Tesla was picked up during the late 1930s by a flying saucer. Yet it would not have been a flying saucer from another planet, but one of Marconi's craft from the secret city in South America.

    In the most incredible scenario so far, and one that may well be true, Tesla was induced to fake his own death, just as Marconi and many of the other scientists had done, and was taken, by special discoid craft, to Marconi's high-tech super-city. Away from the outside world, the military governments, the oil companies, the arms and aircraft manufacturers, Marconi and Tesla, both supposedly dead, continued their experiments in an atmosphere conducive to scientific achievement.

    Who knows what they may have achieved? They were ten years ahead of the Germans and twenty years ahead of the Americans in their anti-gravity technology. Could they have developed discoid spacecraft in the early 1940s, and gone on to time travel machines and hyperspace drives? Perhaps Marconi and Tesla went into the future, and have already returned to the past!

    Time travel experiments, teleportation, pyramids on Mars, Armageddon, and an eventual Golden Age on earth, may all have something to do with Tesla, Marconi and their suppressed inventions. While UFO experts and former intelligence agents tell us that flying saucers are extraterrestrial and are being currently retro-engineered by military scientists, Tesla, Marconi and their friends may be waiting for us at their space base at the pyramids and Face on Mars.

    Our government, Hollywood, and the media have trained us to certain beliefs and prejudices that amazing technology must be from extraterrestrials visiting our planet. To the scientist-philosopher who seeks knowledgeÉ sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
     
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    Why do I keep replying to these posts, I think I may have low self restraint. The first bit was fairly uncontroversial, its true that long distance radio communication was found experimentally before the behavious of the ionosphere was known. No idea what that South American bit was about, I got to the bit about cosmic energy being the most important part of all matter and switched off.

    Though interstingly the small hint of what may be a true conspiracy is mentioned. The part about anti-gravity is very interesting has appeared periodically throughout the 20th century. From the well known phenomenon of the Foobars to burn marks on the roof of German laboratories. If true then Teslas experiments on rotating magnetic fields would be important in this effect however superconductivity also played an impotant part, not something widely available till after the first world war and ive not heard his name directly used. Either way the story of this is not widely accepted however it has been thoroughly investigated until in 1992 a Russian physicist announced that he was releasing a paper (in the IOP Journal of Low Temperature Physics if memory serves me). Unfortuantely The Times who reported this major breakthrough used the words 'Anti-Gravity' in the title and the paper was withdrawn and very little has been heard since. Other sources include some rather strange patents from the early 50's, but more interestingly is that the players involved through the last century seem to be connected. Id really like to carry out this experiment although many groups have tried and reproduceability seems to be an issue, but there are respectable low temp groups out there that have played. If this effect is real then it should be in the public domain soon.

    Teleportation is old news in physics, its quite easy to do, just doing it with large items is hard well effectively impossible with current technology but the principle is proven. Time travel is harder because your left with some simple paradoxes and mathematically you left with a handful of infinities if you try it, indicating that nature seems as unhappy with the idea as common sense. This aside superluminal experiments can make signals leave experiments before they enter, all good fun, they should do it in undergrad labs the kit is simple enough.
     
  3. paintingjames

    paintingjames freaky fish

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    thats where the south american bit comes in
     
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    Its strange how these things happen while looking for something else I came accross a paper (a whopper at 21 pages) by Podkletnov and Modanese which can be found in the Journal of Low Temperature of Physics vol 132. I havent read it, but ill try to, they seem to be reporting annomalous 'sparks' from a superconducting spinning disk, so not directly related to gravity, but looking at their references I think it does somewhere. Given where its published im assuming its peer reviewed but I cant find any similar experiments, still thought it might be interesting.
     
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    what the aether oscillating ac generator that looks like a giant hamster wheel that made brushes obsolete?
    the key which Tesla found was to place insulated wire wound iron apparatures, (the key is the plural as the pioneers of ac negleted to try to use more than one such as in dc which still remains the norm due to private intersts) and do so as to put them in dischord or asymmetrcial with each other all around the wheel.
    when powered with an electrical charge from a regular light switch as from Niagra Falls power station where he was at, or in laymans terms when powered from the grid, the device would then throw the electromagnetic feild around it into a frenzy and start drawing power straight from the wheelwork of nature in a natural attempt to balance out the field. sparks were thrown. a small charge is all that was required for unlimited energy, the true perpetual motion motor.
    But these were just the mere beginnings of Oscillating technology...
     
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    What? Are you talking about drawing energy from the vacuum? Are you talking about induction? It may be possible to extract energy from the vacuum, but the energy density would be finite and in any case a perpetual motion machine violates thermodynamics.
     
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    ok explain to me how that violates thermodynamics when i'm talking about electro-magnetic oscillating energy.

    the ether man. ehter. don't think about it to hard, it perpetuates everything. in fact, it is thought.
    an object in motion stays in motion. space is a vacuum. the energy projected in space from a nucleur explosion such as a supernova, (which are common to happen in space, and MANY other sources of cosmic energy also mind you) only Increase in velocity therefore since there is nothing to stop them from their ever increasing speed. It turns into something finer than light, and supercharged obvoiusly this criss crossing convergance of instellar intertwintions in this ever perpetuating fabric of energy all around everywhere in the air the ground the water your very mind.. True cold fusion, perpetual motion ect. in action, and thats what the anceints were refering to when they said Ether. don't you know Ether burns ??????????
     
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    come on is this all the debunking yall got?? i'm surprised i havn't been swarmed on by locusts by now
    actually you're right, it's all a game. bye
     
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    By electro-magnetic oscillating energy do you mean EM waves (light)? Most of the energy in a supernove explosion is released in the form of neutrinos, these weakly interacting particles interact with very little and fly round the universe at relativistic speeds. About a thenth of the energy released by neutrinos is released in the form of EM radiation. About a tenth of this energy again in released in mechanical energy, which will go towards accelerating other particles (electrons, protons, more exotic species) to relativistic speeds. Either way as they get further away from the supernova the force applied will become negligable so they will not accelerate ad infinitum and I guess much of the released particles will be pulled back into the resulting neutron star or black hole. But it is true that there are many high energy particles whizzing round the universe.

    A fundamental law of nature one of the few things that seems to hold from the smallest particles to the largest galaxies is conservation of energy. Nature really seems to hate the idea of getting out more than you put in.
     
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    yet you don't realize how much Nature is putting in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ok so maybe i don't know where Ether comes from, or maybe i do. where there is radiation, there is the breaking down of these neutrinos. there are high levels of radiation in space, high potential high output oscillating frequencies that can be captured in the form of high potential high output alternating current. Tesla liked to run insanely high voltage through himself, as he did for Mark Twain, who was so infatuated with Tesla he and his fellow dignataries would go and hang out with him instead of another few rounds at the gent's club many nights.
    Tesla had this device that proved that extremely high voltage currents of alternating safley ground around a person instead of going through them, unlike direct current which goes right into you and freezes you. he would have these millions of volts going around him like lightning storms and reach out and just for fun shock somebody just to prove it was real, and they got shocked, because the frequency was lower due to being channeled. at large, it is relativley safe, and a hell of a lot safer than direct current. and in space this energy is running rampant, as evidence in the radiation which scienties origionally predicted no man could survive, and yet it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be. perhaps because there is so much electrical frequency as evidenced by the radiaiton, it acts the same way. as above so below?
    ok man i don't give a fuck if the gov't is reading this you seem inquisitve and potentially able enough to inspire me to inspire you...here is the explanation of what i am talking about...
     
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    This could go on forever really, so far Tesla has been related to pretty much every area of physics. I try to give minoirty theories some time as thats how the major theories start out. But they have to at leask be consistent with what we see. This has gone from a minoirty theory that randomly spewing physics words.
     
  13. EllisDTripp

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    That would be a resonant transformer, commonly known as a "Tesla coil".

    Not even close....

    The frequency remained exactly the same.

    The reason a person got a "shock" (actually, a tiny BURN) is because the current entered their body through a tiny point of contact, when a spark jumped to their skin. Tesla himself would have been holding directly onto the output terminal of the coil, providing a much larger contact area and lower current density.
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up.


    "I remember vividly an event from my grade school years on Long Island that prepared me for my latter day interest. It was Saturday, circa 1959, and I was working on a boy scout assignment when i came upon a design for a crystal radio set. My father and I gathered a glass jar and a set of headphones, a crystal detector for changing the ambient AC radio waves into audio DC pulses, some thin copper wire to be wrapped around the jar, a metal switch that was scraped across this coil for the "dial", a small plank to hold the contraption together, and a hundred feet of normal rubber-coated wire for the antenna, which we strung out a second story window. There was no plug; all energy was derived from the broadcast signals from the nearby radio stations. However, after hooking it all together, the reception was faint; I became discouraged.
    My father paced the room, considering the problem, muttering, "Somethings wrong". After a few moments of deep thought, he made a motion which said, "I've got it." Walking over to our radiator and dragging another wire, which he had hooked up to the jar, Dad attached a ground connection. Suddenly, all the stations began to come in loud and clear, and I marked each one of them on the jar along the coil. It was apparent to me then that electrical power was being transmitted from these stations by wireless means and that the earth somehow was intrinsically linked to this system.

    -Excerpt from the Preface, "The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla, Biography of a Genius" by Marc J. Seifer

    ==Highly recommended (American Academy for the Advancement of Science)
     
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    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    About what? The fact that both transmitting and receiving antennas use the earth as a ground plane?

    Why should it surprise someone that a crystal set needs a good ground in order to work? AM broadcast transmitting sites need one hell of a ground system on their end, as well. Systems of hundreds/thousands of feet of buried copper wire or screening surrounding the tower base are typical.
     
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    The crystal was merley acting as a transducer absorbing the energy directly from an outside source and converting them into audio waves AND the power of the radio. Therefore, power is being transmitted by wireless means from using Tesla technology, yet nobody associates radio towers with their true Mommy, WardenClyffe Tower, since Tesla was the co-Father of radio technology afterall, this is not surprisng to even the average layman.
     
  18. EllisDTripp

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    The crystal does NOT act as a "transducer"! It acts as a "detector", or the more general term "rectifier". A transducer is a device that converts energy from one form to another, such as the headphone/speaker attached to the radio which converts electrical energy to sound energy. Both the input and output of a crystal detector are electrical energy, therefore, it is NOT a "transducer"! If you are going to throw scientific terminology around, at least try to use the terms properly! :rolleyes:

    The crystal does not "absorb" energy. It is simply a crude diode, which conducts current in one direction better than in the other. Coupled with a capacitor in the circuit, it effectively removes the carrier signal from the incoming radio wave, leaving the audio modulation.


    Yes, a crystal radio operates the headphones from the miniscule amounts of energy in the received radio waves. This is why the range and sensitivity of crystal sets is so greatly limited. Electromagnetic waves fall off in available energy with the square of distance travelled, so unless you live very close to a powerful transmitter, a crystal set is little more than a scientific plaything. Or are you claiming that Tesla found a way around this inverse square law, which would be needed to make wireless power transmission practical?

    Yes, Tesla contributed to radio, as did countless others. But there is no single "inventor of radio", as each contribution was built on the work of others.

    If you want to look into a radio engineer who remains largely unknown, and never received much recognition for his many accomplishments (which are STILL fundamental to radio reception TODAY), google on Edwin Howard Armstrong. If it wasn't for HIS work (little things like the superheterodyne circuit and FM radio), radio might not have advanced much beyond Tesla's boyhood crystal set!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Howard_Armstrong

    Plenty here to interest the conspiracy crowd, with his constant legal struggle to overcome the efforts of entrenched corporate interests (RCA) to suppress his innovations, and eventually drive him to suicide...
     
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    That was not Tesla I quoted there, but one of his biogrophers.
    And yes he found a way to make inverse square laws round. More to come on that...
    Sorry about my feeble understanding of scientific terms, no i really am, i take this subject seriously and should be able to represent myself so. I did not go to school to learn about these things (obviously), and am learning everyday. I'm glad someone cares enough to clear things up for me.
     
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    Well you ever heard of Edward Kunkel, who singlehandidly explained how the anceints built the pyramids with water and recreated the design in a pump he built and patented in which in minature would shoot a powerful jet of water over a 2 story house with ease with a single draw from the lungs ? No hmm not surprising...ok so what the hell is really going on here then???????
    Let's take a trip back further in time...

    Reacting to the ridicule from other students, who resented Tesla for his monastic study habits and close association with the faculty, Tesla took up gambling. "He began to stay out late at the Botanical Garden, the studets favorite coffee house, playing cards, billiards, and ches, attracting a large crowd to watch his skillful performances." ...
    During his sophomore year, a direct-current Gramme dynamo was delivered from Paris to professor Poeschl's physics class. It was equipped with the customary cummutator, a device that transferred the current from the generator to the motor. Electricity in it's natural state is alternating. This means that its direction of flow changes rapidly. An analogous situation would be a river that flowed downstream, then upstream, then downstream, and so on many times per second. One can see the difficulty in harnessing such a river with, for instance, a waterwheel, for the wheel would constantly change it's direction as well. The commutator is comprised of a series of wire brushes that serve to transfer the electricity into only one direction of flow, that is, a direct current (DC). It is a cumbersome device and sparks considerably.
     
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