Who here buys into the Illuminati thing?

Anyone?

 

I think there are certain groups of people who control the world - yes
but I don't for a second believe it's nearly as organized as the conspiracy theorists would suggest
you're putting way too much faith in humans to believe they could carry out what the conspiracy theories claim

 

Are you asking about whether a small group of elite, interbreeding families control virtually the entire planet? The answer is unequivocally yes.

As far as what Duck said, these people can do what they do because they have been doing it for an awfully long time. They control virtually every source of information, from the media to the education system. You were born into their system, and so were your parents, so of course it seems "normal" to most people. People don't question what seems normal to them. The structure in which they operate is a compartmentalized one, where many of those serving the agenda aren't fully aware of the agenda at the highest levels. Everything is on a need-to-know basis.

 

I doubt it. What do they control in my life? Elections? Doubtful. I've helped monitor them myself (note, this is Canada not the US). The media? Different owners, different views. You can tell whether a broadcast is IR, Canwest, or CBC by the tone. But they all advocate different, often contradictory things. The education system? Pretty transparent at most schools. Municipal elections? Doubtful.

I just don't get how you think they control my life.

 

I don't think they control as much as direct the flow of "progress" toward a particular political/social agenda through backroom shenanigans, they are not all powerful like gods or something, just influential.

 

It's part of the dialectic for them to control the debate on all sides. These people control the Left, Right and the Middle. They give people their opinions, whether they are right wing opinions or left wing opinions. At the top, it's all the same people running the show. These people don't follow politics, which are strictly for the public's consumption, to keep people divided and at each other's throats as they argue over petty political talking points doled out by the media they also own and control. All the while the people remain blind to their common enemy as they fight amongst themselves. This is the genius of politics. They always provide an opposition, because they must have a CONTROLLED opposition instead of a genuine one that truly poses a threat to their established order.

It's no different with the media in the US, which always gives both sides of the political spectrum, but never talks about anything that would ever truly pose a threat to their system of control.

As far as you asking what they control in your life, I would have to ask what DON'T they control in your life? The system you live under is their system, not yours. You must work and pay taxes to feed their system or else. Perhaps you are free.... free to think as they tell you to think. You, as well as most people, will never question this, though, because you believe it to be normal as it's all you've ever known. Most people only think they're free because they have been conditioned to believe they are. A lie repeated enough times eventually becomes fact.

 

There is far too much evidence to not believe. And I think it's on differing levels all the way from the ones who control what we think and want and act , but it goes all the way down to local areas and local governments. It's the people with the MONEY and the CLOUT, behind the scenes...

I wrote a story last winter - fiction - ? It gets a bit bizarre, lots of religious innuendo in the end... If you're interested it's at:
http://calhoununderground.wordpress.com/category/fact-or-fiction/the-rumor/

 

"Presidents come and go, but diplomats stay".

 

I don't use the Illuminati (or the elite) as a scapegoat for blame nor as the nascence of all political dealings when I'm attempting to make a point or an argument.

 

I think that wealth and power is disproportionately concentrated in a few (less than a thousand) hands. I think that coroporate power, and economic influence, is more important than national power and military influence these days.
however, i do not think that 'they' act in concert. quite frankly it's not like humans to co-operate, especially if they are in direct competition. the amount of time, money, and energy that would go into secretly controlling the world is enormous, and the payoff isn't really that good (you can make more money by simply not). People tend to think (especially the powerless) that it'd be nice to run the world, but when you get down to the nuts and bolts, it's a atlantian task.

 

Time and money are nothing to them. As I have said before, this agenda goes back many generations, and to those with the ability to create money out of thin air, money is not a problem, nor is it their number one concern. These people are after power and control. At the highest levels there is no competition because these people are all after the same goal and most of them are interrelated besides. But money is the least of their concern because they have all the money they'll ever need. If not, they can always print more themselves, as they are the creators and owners of all wealth. They own all the big banks, which own all the biggest countries and their armies.

 

The Bavarian Illuminati of Adam Weishaupt was only one branch of a secret society that popped up in 1776. The Illuminati was featured in dictionaries in England going back to the 12th century, so it is much older than most believe.

I myself rarely use the term "Illuminati," and really it is only a general reference to an elite, often interbreeding group found within the higher ranks of Freemasonry, which runs most of the world through its control of money. This would include the old nobility of Europe in tandem with the central banking families and their unelected bureacracies, which operate above the government and outside of elected government oversight.

 

Today's Illuminati is not your grandfather's Illuminati.

Most of the old guard has died off, and world events have forced the survivors to rethink strategy.

Today, it's just a rehash of an old theme. World domination.

Modern day nazis, who prefer the suit of a banker to that of the Gestapo.

They can be routed, but not before they do alot of damage.



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It's always been the same people -- the same families. These are intergenerational, interbreeding bloodlines that can be traced back to the ancient world. The agenda hasn't changed, and world events are never spontaneous. They create world events. They are the creators of chaos because out of chaos comes order -- ordo ab chao. They always create the problems they later provide the "solutions" to. Nothing just happens by chance alone.

 

Yeesh. It's not like the Illuminati are as omniscient, as say God, Pressed_Rat.

 

Besides, how do we know you aren't one them, eh?

*squints*

 

The Gates family, the Bush family, etc etc... are relatively newer families in this, and because of this they have relatively little power. Most people don't understand that Bush is just a puppet, and even his daddy was because they are taking orders from people much higher than them. The real power never shows its face to the public. The Bushes are simply mid-level bureaucrats and are really just gofers for the real power behind the scenes. Certainly the Bush dynasty can be traced back to Prescott Bush and his dealings with the Nazis in WW II, but it wasn't until the Bush family married into the Walker family that they began to rise to prominence.

You can believe all you want that the people have a say when they go to vote, but the fact is they don't and the evidence proves this. Carroll Quigley, who was a mentor to Bill Clinton at Georgetown, who selected Clinton for the Rhodes scholarship in 1968 and was the archivist for the Council on Foreign Relations, stated this in his own book from 1966, titled Tragedy and Hope. He said that both parties should be nearly identical. This way, once the public gets tired of the party in power, they can "throw the rascals out" without there being any significant changes to the agenda, other than superficially.

Americans voted the Democrats into power in '06, expecting they would end the war. Of course they didn't because that wasn't part of the agenda, which is the script both parties are reading off of. The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is the rhetoric.

Change goes beyond going to the polls at election time and naively believing that you're helping to make a change. As long as people continue to believe in the sham of democracy, thinking their elected officials are anything more than the globalist frontmen and turncoats they are, nothing will change, and this is why we continue to slip further and further into the grips of complete and open tyranny.

I can understand how most people don't want to abandon their comfort zone, and would much rather continue believing everything is the way it's been sold to them throughout their lives. The reality is that it isn't this way, and if you want the truth, you have to start digging a little deeper than what the mainstream media tells you.

The fact is, policy does not emanate from politicians and the people you vote into office. It comes from UNELECTED, high-level bureaucracies that are unanswerable to anyone -- especially the people.

It is important to learn how the power structure is set up before you start talking like your little voice has a say in anything. People need to understand what they are dealing with before they set out to change the world.

 

Oh, tell us more Distant.


No offense Distant, but you aren't onto something.

 

http://despair.com/changewinds.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

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