Who the hell cares about bloody AV anyway!!!!!

None of them are ever going to liberalize drug policy. Thats pretty clear. Maybe the Greens would, but they're a long way from power, although the results in Brighton are good.

It's a shame in my opinion that AV went down the tubes, we need change, or else just more of the same.
Also, the SNP victory in Scotland could be bad news in the longer term for labour, as they rely on their trad power base north of the border. It's hard to see how we're ever going to be rid of the tories.

 

I'll tell you what irks me the most about the new "government". It's that plummy voiced ponce-meister Cameron standing up on his soap box, bearing a fake grin and telling us all what we need to do to be happy.

They really are all so fucking ignorant to the fact that THEY are the reason why everyone is so fucking miserable in this country (apart from the weather)

Like anything that involves having fun seems to get either banned, or heavily taxed so that it then becomes a privelage for the rich elite.

Fuck right off. If Cameron drops dead tomorrow that might put a bit of a smile of my face.

"No I don't want an apple, I want a packet of fucking crisps!" - David Mitchell, on the subject of Cameron's latest "everyone be happy" drive, 10 o' Clock live

 

you should consider it the other way - is it that they are a class, 'destined to rule' by birthright, and thus, a class that separates themselves from the majority

or are they a class separated by the hostility of a majority? look at party supporters - i go to a pub, talk a friend about politics

i tell them 'i vote conservative because of healthcare, tax, whatever. they tell me that they vote labour because the tories are 'posh twats'. nice.

there is no sign of a critical argument. i don't believe people understand the political, or economic environment well enough to make objective judgement. instead, it's just a bully-boy ideology.

i think it's backwards marxism. there are separations - but it's the lower class.

as for the conservatives, they seem like the best suited to the job. they know the economy, they are making difficult decisions. it was always a losers election - so people should be happy that the tories are tarnishing their reputation for the good of a country, just so people can criticize and vote in labour who will fuck it up again.

remember this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...g-to-new-Government-theres-no-money-left.html

people hate cuts. they can be justified. looking way back when to the start of the recession, the credit crunch, who was to blame

bankers - they were interested in short term gain through securitization and flogging toxic assets.

government - were was the regulation in the property market?

people!!!!! - we bled a 'hot' market dry. this is what pisses me off - people who couldn't afford mortgages were taking them out, then purposely defaulting when the market turned bear. this is what turned financial assets toxic, we gave bankers our money.

it's a chain of events. suffice to say if we continued as we were, handing out benefits and living above our means, this country would be defaulting. so the policies they are likely to implement, one would hope, would be to tackle the raging problem of deficit - and they have, and we concurrently are blaming someone else for our misfortune.

it's a bitter pill to swallow - but i don't understand what people seem to think the liberal democrats or labour would have done

two choices:

- the same thing. and have been less honest about it, remember, they are 'for the people'

- or default. watch the country fall to tatters.

i don't mind the conservative party because they have been honest with cuts, and they are delaying rather than taxing 'too' much. that's good business practice. the nhs has to much bureaucracy as it is. and as for mcleod's point about war, check the budget, there was something like £38 million less spent on weapons.

and anyways, why are we where we are now? we in stagflation - high inflation with a poor economy - this is because of an american sub-prime crisis (which would have happened here anyways) and the commodity market

commodities, such as oil specifically, are in shortage indeed but how is that our governments fault? we have war raging elsewhere, which whether we were a part of it or not, was always going to affect our petrol prices. god bless globalized economy.

we are living in a terrible time. it's only a matter of time before the stock market flops into a double dip recession. i think all governments need to sit down and rethink world policy - think bretton woods. i believe even bringing the gold standard back would be useful, but that's a whole new conversation.

as for drugs, who gives a fuck - there are more important issues at the moment.

 

point proven lol.

 

People who have MS, cancer and other illnesses that cannabis can be used to help. People who have lost their legs because they have developed deep vein thrombosis as a result of not being able to get a hold of drugs they were addicted to and then bought shit cut with nasty toxins on the street.

People like me who like to sit in bars drinking a beer, smoking some nice weed, socialising and perhaps meeting a nice girl.. instead of having to creep around dark corners smoking a pipe on the fly and wasting what little money i have on shit hash, which then damages my health.

Au contraire my friend, I think this is a very important issue that is perpetually swept under the carpet because none of the toffee nosed eton cunts in power have a back bone between them.

I don't give a shit about their political process, or the banking crisis. The banks will always be in crisis, that's a consequence of the capitalist world will now have to live in.

All they have to do is just stop arresting people for drugs, let them do what they do and watch a whole truck load of problems disappear overnight.. and in the long run this will take the strain off the NHS. And of course they can tax it and that would generate a LOT of money for the economy.

But none of these cunts will admit that there is logic in doing this. We all have to make do with bullshit realpolitik.

The only home secretary to admit that there needs to be change was perhaps David Blunkett, who I think was over ruled by the Eton boys, and more recently ken Clarke who came out and said that he thinks the war on drugs strategy is just not working, 6 months after he lost power. He was frightened to say anything for fear of the back lash it would create.

Bunch of spineless cunts the lot of thm, tory, labour and lib deb.

 

duly noted.

 

Sorry sir... I'll get back to my place at the bottom of the pile, sir... lick your boots before i go, sir ?

And be happy in the knowledge that all the local sports centres and libraries being closed, public transport being cut, the unemployed to be forced onto pointless work schemes... its all in a good cause and releases money for the really important things...

Like wars, royal weddings, the Olympics... because after all, we are all in it together - millionaire Dave [married into the aristocracy] says so.

In the north-east the last time the tories were in power they pretty much devastated the region's employment. This time around I think they're going to finish the job and put us back several centuries.


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This is why AV was a terrible idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHuiDD_oTk"]YouTube - Is your Cat confused about the referendum on the alternative vote on the 5th May?

 

i think you have vastly misinterpreted what i am saying. i asked you to consider another possibility, i never tried act relational power or force opinion on you.

i'm sorry if you got the wrong idea.

 

and anyways, as stated, i've not expressed my proclivity politically anywhere here - so i'm just trying to be objective, it's not a personal discussion.

 

I actually voted AV, but if I saw this beforehand I would have voted a big fat NO. Holy shit. Cats getting into government?! That's a fucking stupid idea!

 

christ i got so pissed off in the run up to this vote with all the media and the parties telling me that i didn't care or that it was too complicated for me to understand. its fairly simple, and of course i care how the country i live in is run. that "no to AV" leaflet was the icing on the cake, i'm not sure i've ever felt so patronised,

AV' better than what we have because it eliminates tactical voting and discourages duality, which are the main reasons people can't be arsed to vote in the first place, but it doesn't go far enough at all. PR or TR are the only truly democratic options, in my view.

what really pissed me off was the ammount of parlimentary debate focused on the AV vote, while Andrew Lansley's proposals for dismantling the NHS went largely ignored.