Who was "Immanuel"? Jesus?! Or…

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Hi everyone, I hope you are all fine and happy today and everyday, Amen =)​

By: Misha'al ibn Abdullah© ​

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God is with us)"Isaiah 7:14 (KJV)​

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Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an to believe in Jesus (pbuh) as a true and faithful prophet of God. For this reason, Muslims have no trouble believing that prophets of the Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus (pbuh). ​

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However … over the ages mankind continued to feel the need to embroider and improve upon the word of God. This was not restricted to merely inserting, deleting, or changing words…, rather, they even went so far as to try to "prove" their innovations through the citation of other ancient passages. There are many examples of this. One such example shall be studied here.​

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When members of the clergy read to their flock the verse of Isaiah 7:14, they then go on to explain to them: "Do you see? Prophet Isaiah prophesied the coming of the God Himself. Immanuel means 'God is with us,' so this is not only a prophesy of the coming of God but also a prophesy of the 'incarnation' of God Almighty in the form of Jesus".​

It is true, Immanuel does mean "God is with us." However, this is a prime example of how the evangelists manage to constantly base their arguments on catch words or phrases and then quickly gloss over the details.​

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The phrase "a virgin" which we find in our English Bibles does not appear in the original Hebrew text. The word used is 'almah {al-maw'} meaning "a young woman of marriageable age". The Hebrew word for "virgin" is bthuwlah {beth-oo-law'}. When the Hebrew text is translated into Greek in the NT, it uses the word parthenos {per-then'-os}, which has a dual meaning; a young girl or a virgin. The translators have mistakenly chosen the latter. More recent and accurate versions of the Bible such as the Revised Standard Version present this verse as follows:​

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el."​

Please click here to read this verse from the Revised Standard Version Isaiah7:14​

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Biblical scholars have suggested that this prophesy was concerning the second son or possibly the third son of Isaiah by a Jewish maiden. It does not relate to Jesus or his virgin birth.​

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If Jesus (pbuh) was indeed intended by this prophesy, then why was he named "Jesus" and not "Immanuel" as the prophesy requires? Notice that the prophesy states that "his NAME shall be Immanuel." It does not say that "HE shall be Immanuel." There is a big difference between saying "His name shall be 'God is with us'" and between saying "He shall be God with us."​

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"Immanuel" is not the only name in the OT that contains the word "El" (God). There are hundreds of Hebrew names that consist of "El" and another noun. For example, "Ishmael" which means "God hears." Did God's sense of hearing come down to earth and live among us in the form of a man? Was God's sense of hearing "incarnated" in the form of a man? There is also "Israel" (prince of God), and "Elijah" (my God is Jehovah), and so forth. As we can see, it was a very common occurrence for Israelites to have such names. Neither prophet Isaiah, nor King Ahaz, nor any Jew ever thought that the prophesy was for God himself to come down and live among them. ​

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In Genesis 28:19 we read "And he called the name of that place Bethel (house of God)". Since the place was named "house of God," does this mean that God lived inside this house?​

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In Genesis 32:30, we are told that Jacob (pbuh) called a piece of land "Peni-el" (Face of God). The actual text states: "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel," is this the same as saying: "And Jacob said this place is Peniel"? Was the patch of land the actual face of God? Was the face of God "incarnated" in this piece of land?​

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Gabriel, the name of the angle of God, has been interpreted in Biblical references as having the general meaning of "Strength of God." So, does this mean that the angle Gabriel is the "incarnation" of the "strength of God"?​

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"The name Immanuel could mean 'God be with us' in the sense 'God help us!'" ​

Interpreter's dictionary of the Bible, V2, p. 686.​

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Jesus (pbuh) was given his name by the angel Gabriel even before his birth (Matthew 1:21:She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.") Never was he named "Immanuel." King Ahaz was in danger. His enemies were closing in. This is when a promise was made to show him a sign, a pregnant woman, not a virgin Mary (pbuh) who would not show up until many centuries after he had turned to dust. ​

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Can we see how the Trinitarian doctrine of incarnation was forced upon the message of Jesus (pbuh) through "bending" of the prophesies and general glossing over of the "trivial details"?​

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What do you think?​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

 

UMM, The messiah's name is not now, nor ever has been jesus. The letter J did not even exist during his life time. His name was Yehoshua, or Yashua, meaning Yahweh saves. The name jesus is just another corruption that happened at some time to confuse us all.
I have always been interested in why his name was translated WRONG. It seems like kinda a big deal. Even if we were to "translate" his name into english it would translate more along the lines of Joshua. And most names are not translated, but transliterated which is an entirely different thing. When I go to a non english speaking area, i do not change my name. I am Michelle, when in Mexico I was still Michelle, no one ever thought to "translate" my name to Micheala.
My question is who is this "jesus" person and why do they want us to worship him instead of the one true Father??????

*edit, sorry if this was off topic, I mean no disrespect, just pointing something out.

 

doesnt matter name, jesus is just an english version. its still the same person. if germans called bill gates Hans, thyey would still be talking about the same person. and when muslims say that only there religion has not been corrupted and changed, thats highly ignorant because look at all those extremist groups claiming that allah says to do something when he doesnt. and all those countries and even regular muslims that make women cover themselves because "it is allah's will" when actually that tradition was added much more recently than 500 AD. that practice has nothing to do with the religion just like how all the religions have been corrupted. im not sure about jews though, they dont have very many rules and "Yahweh says this and that" while christians and muslims have that.

all have been corrupted and even though they all started out with good intent for the 1 true god, all have been changed and are no longer pure. that is why i dont follow an organized religion and just belive the one god that all the 3 major religions have

 

Cat, it seems I agree with you on this one. The Immanuel prophecy was not about Jesus (Yeshua), but was as you said, for a woman in that time (Isaac's and king Azah's time) to bear a child and name him Immanuel. Simply reading further on in that passage reveals that.

I have a question, though. I thought Muslims believed that Mary was a virgin. Why do you contest this?

And Mr.Morrison, I agree. Any religion, even Islam which indeed is still pretty similar to the original version laid down by Muhammed (at least, it's scriptures are, if not the entire practice of it), once it becomes institutionalized, dogmatic truth, handed down rather than personally discovered, it loses much of its vitality. Not all of it, to be sure, as the truths are still there (even if often hidden or obscured), and can be used still as a tool along the way; still, it becomes much harder. The only religion you need is the religion of your soul, which is already within us all and is there to be discovered. Kind of a "grassroots" deal rather than a top-down approach.

 

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I talked and mentioned this matter about changing the names in some parts of my threads you can find it in these links, for, example when they changed the name of Allah to God and Lord​

Allah's name in an old Bible! Photostat ​

Also, Unlocking 'Y.H.W.H' + ''Jehovah'' code! The puzzle of their meaning and reality!​

There are other changings (corruptions) which I will write threads about them someday.​

The Arabic Bible doesn't call Jesus (Jesus) even the arab Christians they call him (Yasoo'a) I am not sure about the Transliteration , Joseph is Yosef, also the arabic Bible call him Yosef...​

Jesus has never asked the people to worship him nor called himself a God.​

(KJV) Matthew7.22:Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [God's name isn't Jesus; Jesus isn't god, God's name is Allah,click here to see the Photostat from an old bible ]​

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(NIVUK) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'Click​

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(WE) Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Go away from me! What you do is very wrong!" Click ​

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(WYC) And then I shall acknowledge to them, That I knew you neverè(I understand (I could be wrong) that the Christians who are claiming that Jesus (pbuh) came to them and told them such and such, or he inspired them to do or to say such and such, actually, Jesus wasn't that one who was inspiring or talking to them! because, he will say to them: I knew you never and when he never knew them that means he didn't talk to them nor inspired them! Don't forget the status of such Christians, who do what they call it miracles in Jesus name); depart away from me, ye that work wickedness.Click​

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(NIRV)Then I will tell them clearly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who do evil!'Click​

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(HCSB) Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers! Click [According to the religious law you should do these things in the name of the Lord, using other names is blasphemy so they are lawbreakers]​

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(DARBY)and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.Click​

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(CEV) But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"Click​

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(NLT) But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.Click​

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(AMP) I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands]Click[I will try to write a thread about, how they are disregarding his commands someday].​

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(MSG)I can see it now--at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, "Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.' And do you know what I am going to say? "You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don't impress me one bit. You're out of here.'Click​

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(KJV) Matthew15. 9: in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of menè(probably Paulread posts 121,122 and 123 ) plus​

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Pagan Roots of the Trinity Doctrine​

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The Apostle's Creed​

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The Nicene Creed​

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The Athanasian Creed​

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(WYC)and they worship me without cause [truly they worship me without cause], teaching the doctrines and the commandments of men.Click ​

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(NIRV)Their worship doesn't mean anything to me. They teach nothing but human rules.Click​

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(NLV)Their worship of Me is worth nothing. They teach what men have made up.Click​

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(NLT)Their worship is a farce , for they replace God's commands with their own man-made teachings.
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John 4.21-34: (Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Fatherè (see he said father not the son or the Holy Spirit, he only mentioned the father!). Ye worship ye know not what, we know what we worship… and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father…for the Father seeketh such to worship him.​

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Acts 17:18… Heè (Paul)seems to beadvocating foreign gods.​

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Quraan: Say: O People of the Scripture. Come to an agreement between usè (Muslims) and you: that we shall worship none but Allah è (the father), and that we shall ascribe no partners [Holy Spirit –Jesus …] unto Him… And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).​

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Isaiah 45.17-22 [TEV=Today's English Version (TEV) or Good News Bible]:​

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''…It is he who says, "I am the LORD, and there is no other god [no partners 3 but 1]. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the LORD, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right."​

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(NLT) Isaiah 43: 10-11"But you are my witnesses, O Israel!" says the LORD. "And you are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God; there never has been and never will be. I am the LORD, and there is no other Savior.Click
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Romans 2.8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath​

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Quraan: Is there any God beside Allah? Say: Bring your proof, if ye are truthful! I did my precious Lord ​

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Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

 

mr.morrison
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You probably didn't read the entire Quraan there is a very clear verse which talks about this matter, however, this is irrelevant, but you can take a look on theses very brief information
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No, read more read Talmud and the five books (Torah)
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Is that the reason! Are you sure that they (Torah) (Gospel) (Quraan) are corrupted? Do you have proofs! Have you listened to those who claim to have the proofs that they aren't corrupted? Give them a real chance by listening to them and search. What if the God wants you to follow a religion? What if there is a (hell-Paradise) i.e. an eternal life after this life? Can I understand that you are a believer in God, god's existence; if so, I am so happy for this may Allah my lord bless you.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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TrippinBTM
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BTW: Isn't me who wrote that, it is, By: Misha'al ibn Abdullah© è I mentioned this in the second line
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Contest this? Where did I do that? The thread is talking about that Immanuel isn't Jesus nor his mother (mother of Immanuel) was Mary, yes, in Islam we Muslims believe that Mary was a virgin as Allah stated in Quraan.
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You should prove your claim or the thing that you believe in, or what you consider it right i.e.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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I must have missed that, sorry. With all the talk about the virgin meaning young woman I thought you were disputing not just the Old Testament prophesey about Immanuel, but also the story about Jesus being born of a virgin​

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I can't prove it to you, only you can prove it to yourself.

 

TrippinBTM​

How did you prove to yourself, share me that =)​

Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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The only proof is in the experience. Look inside, man.

 

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To look inside man, his creation or spirit? BTW: Not every experience is right and truth, so, clarify it more? how can I know that this experience is the proof? many people's experience guided and led them to Islam others to Christianity others to whatsoever....
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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ive never read the qur'an, that is just information ive gathered from muslim friends and my history teacher when we studied the origins of islam.
never read the torah but i thought the torah was the same as the first 5 books of the christian bible and since my mom makes me go to church ive heard those.

and you are right i do belive in 1 god, itrs just that there are 3 choices of islam, christianity, and judaism and with your whole eternal life at stake, its a pretty tough choice. a bit too much for me to think about when im still in high school

 

Some things just can't be proven, they have to be experienced. In the spirit I would say. And yes different people's experience leads them different places.

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Oh! Muslim friends! *sigh* it seems that they didn't read the entire Quraan and not informed enough about their religion, how sad , if they don't know or not sure then they shouldn't talk, Quraan: And pursue not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: "I have seen," while in fact he has not seen, or "I have heard," while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah) (on the Day of Reckoning) may you my Lord forgive them, Amen, however, let me tell you something, whenever a Muslim told you something or non-Muslim tell him what's the proof? He should mention a verse from Quraan or an intact (authentic) Haddeethè (prophetic sayings), or ask a Muslim Sheikh or an Islamic centre.
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Yes dear brother, Torah is the first 5 books and Talmud is another book, I will try to write about the Laws in Torah someday in new thread, may be you didn't notice the verses which talk about the laws when you read them.
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Oh, may Allah bless your mom =), believe me she loves and cares a lot about you, of course you know that probably, she wants you to know about God =), there are moms who don't care or pay attention to teach their children about this matter =(
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So so so happy =), keep believing, please, it is one God, trust me, Guaranteed 1000.000%
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And I will prove someday that they are all following the same one God, i.e. Allah revealed the Torah, Gospel and finally Quraan.
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Oh! It is my tears , you are 15, how sane, how nice to read such thing from 15 years old person, many old people don't care who should be wiser , keep thinking and finding out the truth, never give up, please, it is really a big deal, may Allah bless you and bless your mom, Quraan: As for those who strive hard in Us (Our Cause), We will surely guide them to Our Paths, And verily, Allah is with the Muhsinoon (good doers)."
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I understand this, may Allah facilitate it to you, but you know this is more important but hold on, I don't mean that you should leave school no, whenever you are free try to search and read, try to reconcile between this and school, may Allah be with you in your every step, Amen, my deepest sincere best wishes.
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Peace and very sincere love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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"And I will prove someday that they are all following the same one God, i.e. Allah revealed the Torah, Gospel and finally Quraan."

Then your Allah has made a terrible mistake and by your own words is a weak and corruptable god.
Repeatedly, you insist that the Torah and the Gospel are corrupted and untrustworthy.
Then your Allah is a weak god and even his Koran is a corrupted book since it says that Allahs word CANNOT be corrupted.
What is the story Catstevens?

Let me suggest to you this for an explanation to your problem:
The Torah and the Gospels are the real Bible.
Muhammad wrote a fake version to pretend he was part of the Abrahamic faiths or some welcome entry.

Maybe you dont like my solution since the Bible is 'confusing' and 'doesnt make sense to you' (therefore it MUST be the Bibles fault).
Ok.
But how do you explain why your Allah had his divine revelation EASILY corrupted in just under 600 years.
By a few 'Mystery Men' too!

Yet, Allah says his word can NOT be corrupted?
Huh?
Explain this huge and overwhelming problem please?

 

Dear brother Erasmus70
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Erasmus hello brother =)
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No, his impolite creatures did so.
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No, isn't my own words which say so, I think that by gospel's words God Jesus is a weak God, just like the creatures
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A Hungry "God": …he was afterward an hungered" (Matthew 4:2)​

"Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered"(Matthew, 21:18) "and on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry" (Mark, 11:12)​

A Thirsty "God": "(He) saith, I thirst" (John, 19:28)​

A Weak "God": "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven,​

Strengthening him" (Luke, 22:43)​

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Whenever he spoke about his miracles he said that he did them through "the finger of God" Luke 11:20 and that he "can of mine own self do nothing" John 8.28​

There are many other verse, but Again: you may tell me that while he is in the human figure then he isn't God or he is God and Human in the same time or sometimes he is human and sometimes he is God but he is God or whatsoever, if he is God but in the Human figure he still God anyway because if I am a male and my name is Stevens but I changed my gender to a female, I still Stevens even if I changed my gender, I still have the same soul, brain and thoughts, memories, blood etc, Christians say that they are 3 but one!​

Quraan: Glorified be your Lord, the Lord of Honor and Power! (He is free) from what they attribute unto Him!​

Quraan: Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allah, (the) One.
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"Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). "He begets not, nor was He begotten; "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
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Am not me the only one who is saying that! Even the Christian scholars are saying that! , do you want me to write new thread about this?
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He says that only Quraan (his word) cannot be corrupted, and because of that it will be his last book. ​

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Thank you for the suggestion, but I think it isn't a good one.
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The bible isn't confusing if I won't believe in trinity, some of the biblical verses make very sense to me =), there are intact verses in the bible and corrupted verses, but I am not saying that the bible is fault because it is only confusing and doesn't make sense to me, it is corrupted besides other reasons.
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[NIV]Matthew: 15
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3: And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? … 6: … Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.7: …9: they worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.
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Jeremiah 8. 4-8… declares the LORD Almighty.' 4 "Say to them, 'This is what the LORD says:" 'When men fall down, do they not get up? When a man turns away, does he not return? 5 Why then have these people turned away? Why does Jerusalem always turn away? They cling to deceit; they refuse to return.6 I have listened attentively, but they do not say what is right. No one repents of his wickedness, saying, "What have I done?" Each pursues his own course like a horse charging into battle. 7 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. 8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?
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Jeremiah6. 10: To whom can I speak and give warning? Who will listen to me?
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Their ears are closed so they cannot hear. The word of the LORD is offensive to them; they find no pleasure in it.
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Jeremiah14. 14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds. 15 Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them
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Jeremiah23.36 But you must not mention 'the oracle of the LORD ' again, because every man's own word becomes his oracle and so you distort the words of the living God, the LORD Almighty, our God.
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His impolite creature did that my dear brother, for the sake of their tradition, etc
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[NIV]Matthew: 15
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3: And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? … 6: … Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
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Quraan: They have not estimated Allah His Rightful Estimate
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Quraan: Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not - a group of them they called liars, and others among them they killed.
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Quraan: And if the truth had been in accordance with their desires, verily, the heavens and the earth, and whosoever is therein would have been corrupted! Nay, We have brought them their reminder, but they turn away from their reminder.
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Quraan: 2:85: … Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest?
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Quraan:… inspite of the fact that a party of them used to hear the Word of Allah, then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?...Know they not that Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal, … then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, this is from Allah, … Woe to them for what their hands have written…
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Israelites or (Isaac's descendants) Allah revealed to them two books yet they didn't appreciate it, that's why,
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Matthew; 21: 43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation (Ishmael's descendants) bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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So you are telling me that Allahs word can be corrupted by some mystery men who succeeded mightily with this corrupt Christianity they made?

Its only Allahs 'Third Book' which cannot be corrupted?
Why not?
The first one (OT) and second one (NT) was easily corrupted according to you.

Why did Allah allow this to happen?

[I might also ask why Allah is so weak he cannot send himself to earth as a man.. apparently you believe that is impossible for Allah.............but this is another topic.... for now maybe explain how Allahs word can be corrupted as you insist?]

 

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Yes, but Quraan, cannot be so.
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Christianity and trinity they made, yes, let me quote to you something:
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Abdul Malik LeBlanc © (ex- Christian):
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Yes, because he stated that he will guard it.
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Quraan: Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).
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I don't know why, this is up to Allah my dear brother.
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Do you consider this a weakness my brother! He isn't a man! He is a perfect, that's it. It is up to Allah.
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1 Timothy 6:16: who alone is immortalè (God died according to Christianity on the cross) and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
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John 5:37: And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me.You have never heard his voice nor seen his formè (if God is three but one, it means if I saw Jesus then I saw God, but Jesus is saying something else here?)
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1 Timothy 1:17: Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Hey Catstevens !

I liked your thread
Your smileys are cool
Your person here looks good
I' m thinking it

Now I've 3 questions
Is that Immanuel called Muhammad?
I always wondered what the Qura'n and extensiously the muslims were thinking about what God Allah (to me it is the same also, however I don't really give him a name ) could show in the future if he is supposed to do so (which I dunno)
Is there a notion of last days in your faith, and is there I dunno, something like an end
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I know there may be many ways to muslims to believe and hope, please tell me about eventual differences, thank you.

I also liked the song that you posted, a slide show, with Islam is all about Peace (ouch but I didn't watched it till the end because friends came home to bring me somewhere... )
Peace

 

Spiritforces
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Hi there dude =)
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Thank you very much dude, but regarding the topic it is originally written by Misha'al ibn Abdullah I mentioned that in the second line
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! I don't think so
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According to Misha'al ibn Abdullah
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Biblical scholars have suggested that this prophesy was concerning the second son or possibly the third son of Isaiah by a Jewish maiden. It does not relate to Jesus or his virgin birth.
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King Ahaz was in danger. His enemies were closing in. This is when a promise was made to show him a sign, a pregnant woman, not a virgin Mary (pbuh) who would not show up until many centuries after he had turned to dust.
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TrippinBTM (post4):
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Cat, it seems I agree with you on this one. The Immanuel prophecy was not about Jesus (Yeshua), but was as you said, for a woman in that time (Isaac's and king Azah's time) to bear a child and name him Immanuel. Simply reading further on in that passage reveals that.
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I think you mean the signs or marks which point to the approaching of the last days of this world, if so, yeah there is.
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But, what do you exactly mean by many ways to believe?
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Am happy you liked it =) I don't know till which slide you stopped, it is long, I surprised when I saw Cat Stevens' photos there =)
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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