why is che guevara considered a hero?!!??

i see people with shirts with che guevara on them.....

and i hardly think the people with the shirts were marxist

is that the reason they have him on shirts?.....

someone fill me in.....

another simple question.....is marxism any good? lol

 

When Cuba becomes more market oriented after Castro's rule you'll see people basically wearing Che t-shirts just to be cool.


Che represents the "old school" socialism that's gradually fading in Latin America.

Example

Kansas city

 

Because everybody loves a revolutionary martyr, regardless of their politics.
And nobody likes the C.I.A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara#Legacy_and_criticisms

 

Many of those people would consider themselves Marxist. I think much of this has to do with it being easier to experiment with the theories of Marxist thought while living in the comforts of capitalist-America than actually living in a Marxist country.

These pro Che folks,and I'll include any Mao supporters, have never lived under real communism so they don't know what it's really like. There are few Marxist countries left today because many of these countries have found Marxism too economiclly and politically flawed in various ways. There's a reason why China and Vietnam have embraced market reforms. Mao's economics caused a huge famine in China in the late 50's.

 

Che Guevara merchandise is just as ironic as an $40 shirt with an anarchy logo on it.

 

Cute. he he

 

Che is viewed more as a symbol than a person. He did murder his nice share of people though... silly revolutions.

 

Ernesto "Che" Guevara could have had power in the new Cuban goverment but he could not rest while there was still injustice in the world. "Che" repersent fighting occupation far more then he repersents Marxism.

 

In the book "The Death of Che Guevara", it was noted that the peasantry of Bolivia in 1967 chose not to support his insurrection, with the exception of a few local Marxists such as Coco and Inti Peredo, Rodolfo Saldaňa, Serapio Aquino Tudela, and Antonio Jiménez Tardio (1). That doesn't mean he was wrong. I've seen films of working conditions in the Bolivian tin mines, and I can't say I'd want to work there without a serious union.

The new Bolivian leader, Juan Evo Morales, will hopefully improve conditions for workers in Bolivia. Quote follows.
"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that the national states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."

He has also stated:

"… the ideological principles of the organization, anti-imperialist and contrary to neoliberalism, are clear and firm but its members have yet to turn them into a programmatic reality."[1] Morales has argued for the establishment of a constituent assembly to transform the country. He also proposes the creation of a new hydrocarbon law to guarantee at least 50 percent of revenue to Bolivia, although MAS has also shown interest in complete nationalization of the gas and oil industries. Morales has taken a middle ground: supporting the nationalization of natural gas companies, but supporting foreign cooperation in the industry.

Morales has referred to the U.S.-driven Free Trade Area of the Americas as "an agreement to legalize the colonization of the Americas", and has supported the stated desire of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez to form an "Axis of Good" between Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela, in contrast to the "Axis of Evil" comprising the United States and its allies.[2]

In March 2006, president Evo Morales announced in Santa Cruz an increase in the minimum wage of 50%. As it is currently set at 440 bolivianos (45 euros), it would then increase to 660 bolivianos (67 euros). Morales had earlier stated that it should be increased by 100%.[3] However, 6 out of 10 workers are part of the informal economy, thus limiting the impact of this increase.[4]

Fulfilling a campaign promise, Morales has opened on August 6, 2006 an assembly to begin writing a new constitution aimed at giving more power to the indigenous majority.[1]

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Hugo Chavez in Venezuela may also prove to be a significant anti-imperialist leader, although he seems to be clownish in recent news releases.

Fidel Castro appears to be retired due to ill health. It remains to be seen how long his revolutionary government will survive him and his elder brother Raul.

Daniel Ortega is president-elect in Nicaragua as at November 2006. He's not one of George W's drinking buddies.

If the Latin leaders could put all their eggs in one basket, it could knock the Yankee bastards on their ass for a while, at least locally. I would call that an Alliance for Progress. But will it ever happen?

(1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_guevara

 

Well here's a different take.

The problem may not be capitalism but the way capitalism or neo-liberal reforms were put in place in Latin America during the 90's.

More economist today seem to realize that in order to make the transition from state-owned to markets these market reforms must be done a certain way. First laws have to be put in place that support market reforms such as enforcing the rule of law and property rights. Then when these market reforms are started they must be done in a specific order. Privatization must be done with oversights to prevent corruption. These things weren't done in Latin America or the former Soviet Union during the 90's market reforms.

I would think because there were no successful models for how to make this state to market transition before the 90's, economist weren't exactly clear on how to go about doing this. I think Chile was one of the few countries that had done this prior to the 90's but even they made some mistakes with their market reforms. But today more economist now recognize how making the transition from nantionalization to privatization should be done.

 

Che Guevarra, mentality wise, was no different from Mao Zedong, Lenin and Stalin. He was a totalitarian genocidal extremist. Anyone who wears clothing with his likeness thereone is a disgrace and should be ashamed to wear the image of a mass murderer.

 

Yes Che was violent but Che that was in a war of liberation, as for the people he killed afterwords they had a trial (open to the people) for their crimes against humanity and found guilty.

As for totalitarian, yes Che demanded his troops be disciplined but show me a army that doesn't.

You also seem to forget that Che after the revolution gave up his lucrative political carrier in Cuba to spread revolution.

 

maybe it because he was a nice geezer with some interesting reforms that made peoples lives much better

I'm pretty sure my next-door-neighbours not a mass murderer - he's a nice bloke in his nineties but he wears ex-army and navy store stuff because he's not very well off - we bought him a big wooly jumper for christmas, when he tried it on I noticed he had a picture of che - tattoed on his arm
When I asked him about it he said he was fairly sure che was a doctor at one point and became a revolutionary out of consciousness. He said che was someone you could trust. I would prefer to believe that 90 year old man rather than the person who wrote the quoted text

Some British generals in the first world war killed more people on their own side than che ever did kill oppositional people
Put them on trial and smoke that !

 

You could say the same thing for Hitler and Stalin... Quite an apologist...
Yes, he had trials (kangaroo court, coerced confessions) and the accused were found guilty. Dont you even read history?????????????????? Anyone home upstairs??

 

Former Nazi officers STILL admire Hitler, and they are generally law abiding citizens who keep a low profile. Are you trying to say something here??

 

The courts were open to the public and press. Also what would you do with CIA agents that commited acts of terrorism? The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few, the lives of the terrorists CIA agents were worth less then the Cuban lives that they threatened.

 

Spoken like a true commisar. The ends justify the means

 

First it was the will of the Cuban people, there was no shortage of people testifing against Batista's men and many confessed to their crimes not for mercy but because they claimed what they did was not illegal.

 

its a fashion statement.

Half of them dont even know who he is.

 

I guess I should have just said that at the begining.