Why is the politics forum dead?

Is this forum dead?


It used to have such lively debates.


Who killed it?

 

im gonna debate in your backyard

 

I am a master debater.



Seriously, who is to blame for killing this forum!

 

I think I must of missed the days of this forum being lively =(

 

I'd like to think everyone just got tired of their pointless bickering, but I somehow doubt that. I'm not sure what's behind it.

 

I shall revive right now!


no, no one's going to read my article

 

Ooh, baby, ooh-ee
Ooh, baby, ooh-ee
It's that million dollar bash

 

I punched myself in the face with my fist,
I took my potatoes down to be mashed
and made it on over to that million dollar bash!

also I miss ari

 

I looked at my watch, I looked at my wrist*

 

We should revive this forum..

 

not enough peeps.
and cuz there are members that skawk about how a thread was already made about it.

 

I try, and fail

 

Just requires more mouth to mouth.

 

Notice how more people are posting in a thread on why the politics forum is dead though vs posting threads about/discusing the ones that already exist about politics

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

Like life isn't worth it lest there be some problem to solve or cause to champion?

 

Not dead, just resting, ready for when it is needed again.

This was a safe haven for lefty/liberal types, a port in a storm of right wing triumphalism.

I think people forget what it was like back then when any criticism of Bush or the policies of the neo-cons was deemed blind anti-Americanism and would get someone instantly barred from a vast majority of political forums.

But as time has gone by lefty/liberal’s feel vindicated rather than besieged.

The right left of there own accord because their arguments just don’t stand up very well.

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Here is the longer version –

This was/is a place where lefty/liberal types could speak freely without been overwhelmed by invective or banned.

When the right felt triumphant they came here to basically rub the lefty/liberal noses in it – heckling and telling anyone that would listen that leftwing ideas were stupid and dead. There were lots and lots of Bushies and neo-cons wearing great big grins and loudly declaring that GW, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc were appointed by God and the greatest thing that had ever happened to America and the world.

It was so bad that Skip had to regularly purge the members list of the more abusive and brought in the 100 post rule (people had to have posted a 100 post on other hipforums before being allowed to post in politics).

However there were right-wingers (even rational Bush supporters) who were willing to discuss their ideas.

But as the Bush admin sunk into the shit, the grins disappeared from the faces of the Bushies and they and the neo-cons went silent.

The right wingers that remained here were the one that had distanced themselves from Bush or had never supported him, conservatives, the free marketeers, the libertarians and the conspiracy theorists.

The conspiracy theorists were politely asked to leave since they had their own forum and basically only heckled.

The libertarians don’t like to debate only post propaganda that doesn’t stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.

The free marketeers ideas and arguments didn’t really survive past the crash.

And the conservatives ideas are so dusty that it’s hard to debate for sneezing.

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The problem is that the right just don’t have any good arguments and the left knows it, and the right knows the left know it and so keep there mouth shut or post and run away.

As for the American left?

They had their own triumphalist moment with ‘Obamamania’ I’m glad to say there wasn’t actually that much here were the mood was more of a hopeful but cautious or nervous optimism.

One year on the triumphalism is muted or gone and many peoples hopes have turned to apathy or despair.

I only hope that this is a wakeup call to the American people that its not about Presidents is about a failed American political system (although the supreme court doesn’t realise with its ruling on election financing, which isn’t surprising since it is part of that system).

My fear is that neither the American right or left have any clue what to do about it.

 

Eh, I say we just let it burn.

 

Perhaps it is the times that beg for cooperation instead of intransigence.

 

the site was attacked by right wing fanatics and so far they have succeeded.

my suspicions were aroused when these people started verbal bombing of the politics forums, particularly the "america attacks" forum.

pressed rat finally hit the nail on the head - i wasn't aware that this verbal bombing of the website was organised. as time went by it seemed that not only was it organised, it had a plan. see this thread not started by me.....

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=346144&f=36

the plan was to take out the politics forums. the problem was that such candid expression of free thought wasn't productive for people who felt hatred for the world.

so far since they have been "called out" they haven't been quite as active but no doubt again they will resume when people start coming back here again. now the forums are quiet they have left this place. when the forums become active again they will become active again

the purpose of destroying political forums like this is to restrict information. too much knowledge can be a dangerous thing especially when you have big plans.





ok, so first you have a purpose, so how do you carry the plan out? well simply by shouting down the opposition - this was an old trick of hitler. in any debate he would simply engulf the opposition with garbage. it didn't matter if such information was old and proven untrue, simply by saying it enough times it made it true.

an old trick of mine (to get rid of these idiots) was to ask the people who thought the war was so just and true to go to it rather than talk it up here. they never did go to the war, they just kept bombing the forum with their junk. in the end they succeeded by constructing long diatribes that had no basis in truth other than from the ministry of truth whether it be in israel or washington. the war monger that loved the war on the middle east and its people just wasn't prepared to go there. it was that glaring fault that angered these people most. at first they got angry, then they simply ignored it and continued with their purpose to shut the site down.

the thing about the people who destroyed the forum is that it didn't matter if you debated them and deconstructed their argument, they instinctively understood that they could just ignore the glaring errors and continue on. the main thing was keeping on. any new reader would just see volumes and volumes of media quotes and sound bites trailing endlessly on any thread opposing the war.

after a point i realised that these people would destroy the site because the moderators either gave up or didn't realise that the game plan was to shut the forum down. the solution to keep the forum alive is to quickly remove members that start verbal bombing.

verbal bombing is easily recognised...

1 THERE IS A LOT OF IT

2 it has little original thought or content, most of it is copied and pasted from elsewhere with little relevance or thought attached with it.

3 any constructed rebuttal to the verbal bombing is attacked. these attacks are usually laden with swear words and vitriol. i dabbled with these things to prove a point but couldn't be bothered, no reasoned debate involves such things.

4 it has purpose, it will attack any social critique on countries such as israel or america. very few attacks come from china or the middle east as evidenced that when the critique flows there is little or no constructed rebuttal to the critique. they just can't be bothered.

5 it is overwhelming. it opens up more and more identities that produce more and more garbage

6 it cannot be stopped (you can try to stop it by simply weeding these individuals out and banning them but like any garden it has to be done on a regular basis - such organised attacks are not likely to stop because they have been fanatically indoctrinated to "the agenda" - they sleep and breath the agenda. by shutting these forums they are doing god's work).

7 you will probably find these people have been active on other political sites that offer social critique - i suggest you contact these sites and compare ip addresses.

8 these people hate free speech and see the rest of the world as an enemy that must be ultimately be wiped out. as such you will never have any reasoned or relevant rebuttal to any critique. they aim to shut such free speech and critique down because it interferes with their aims.

i wish you luck