I am asking all my fellow athiests out there a simple question...christians as well..... why do you continue to attack and won christians for their beliefs? I look in the christian forums and most of what I see is an athiest calling all christians idiots and their beliefs bullshit. why? Its the same thing over and over again. Its old, just let them be. I'm an athiest and i believe religion is a beautiful thing. It gives hope and direction in peoples lives. It gives them something to live for. I personally think anything that can pull someone out of a horrible drug addiction and show them a better way in life to where they are happy, its great! Sure, there are many downsides to religions and beliefs that are wrong. But why continue to attack them? This question is to any christians or other people who follow any different religion. Why attack atheists? I've read through some old forums, and all the "I've proven god exists ones" make no sense at all. It goes beyond logic (which is what atheists follow). Its a waste of time. why can't we just leave each other alone? our beliefs are our beliefs and theirs are theirs. Peace and love everybody!
And I'd like the right to be able to end my life in dignity if I was dying from an unbearably painful illness. Why can't I do that? Why do I have to watch my family members die in unspeakable agony? Because RELIGIOUS people make laws that affect MY life. Why don't they leave me alone? Because Religion is ORGANIZED IGNORANCE!! Anyone so royally FUCKED in the head that the only way they can sleep at night is with chemical pills or the ignorant pill of Faith should have no right to impact my life in any way. In this world, faith is killing thousands of people a day and reaping misery on thousands more. The best thing religion has ever done for the human race is control it's population through genocides. We will only move forward, evolve as a more intelligent species when we can control our population with logic and reason rather than ignorance and superstition.
I'm a theist, but not a fan of Christianity either. Christianity means different things for different people though, so when you go attacking Christians in general for things some of them do and not the others, maybe your attack is misdirected. Or maybe it's the case that they're all promoting the same poor behavior just by being Christians. I don't attack Christians that often, just at moments of weakness, but when I do it's because I'm frustrated with someone's refusal to see logic and reason coupled with hypocrisy, which they also refuse to recognize. Such Christians are no more than idol worshipers, shoving their golden calf in everyone's faces. And we're basically saying, "Hey, stop shoving that in my face." It's like when you're little and some jerk keeps pointing his finger in your face. I'm not talking about Christians who are just "love your neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" (sort of vague, easy-going Christians) but Christians who are "Believe this or die." Because they really aren't just trying to save us from torment in the afterlife -- they fantasize about us dying horrible deaths in the here and now and do everything in their power to make it happen. And it's probably all just a big misunderstanding anyway.
Most people don't feel the need to attack people over private personal matters. The reason people hold beliefs is because they value them. Some people believe it is their duty to impose Christ's message of love and sacrifice on us and will continue to do so. As they do that, there will be people who shall feel patronised and there will be people who agree with them. I believe the majority of people are civil and don't intentionally try to aggravate people. However, we have the right to free speech, to an extent and should use it as we wish. So we may not agree with what is said, but we should defend to the death their right to say it.
Good For You, Mind Trip...I Applaud Your Tolerance For Others And Their Beliefs. You Make An Excellent Point. = )
I think the more fragile the belief, the more easily shaken the belief, whatever that may be. The people that cling most, to dogmatic and organised religion, the people that overtly display and "fight" for their chosen ideals, contrary to how it may appear, IMO are more likely to be the weakest. Other people's beliefs and views are a threat, to their own beliefs, perhaps they will not even admit to themselves consciously that their faith is NOT as strong, as they would like it to be... Sometimes I think it is about affirming to yourself, and reaffirming as the case may be. What if these over bearing, preaching meddlers, are really afraid that someone will finally say the magic words, and disintigrate their entire belief and faith? How scary is that?
we CAN just leave each other alone, have calm unshakable faith in whatever we really can believe in. for me that is that nothing is limited to what we know about it, however sevearly our knowledge, all of it togather, is such a minuete, infintisimal, fragment of what there is, will always remain, to be explored and discouvered in a universe wider and more diverse then any of our wildest imaginations. and it doesn't rule out what i've experienced beyond any valid way of claiming knowledge of. that there are invissible forces that for the most part intend us no harm, if they intend us anything at all. the whining of 'christians' though, that everyone else doesn't kiss the ass of their own chauvanism, is most directly answered by their own parable of who the hell's ox is actually being gored! =^^= .../\...
I only attack brainwashers..not a specific religion! most parents raise their kid to believe what they believe and get pissed if the kid ends up becoming an agnostic or atheist...not allowing them to have their own mind. religion causes huge problems the holocaust for example.. the planet would be better off with no religion! i bet if the world was made up of atheists and agnostics more people would be focusing on things that actually matter like restoring americas freedom,but NO.....people figure their god will take care of everything.
Mandy, that could be a legit question, except I don't really believe in linear time, outside of man's need to make everything logical. I think it's kinda humorous when atheists start ranting and raving about "logic" and "reason." I could have more "faith" in those concepts had it not been for the fact that my life (and life in general, I would argue) has been 90% illogical and random, with or without the god factor. Logic certainly has a place in many situations, and we certainly need more of it in the real world. But personally, I find logic to be dry and boring. I think the big fallacy between people arguing over religion vs science is that while they are related, they answer two completely different questions--Science answers "How?" religion answers, "Why?" A lot of dogmatic christians like to try every attempt to answer how because they think they have to, when they don't; that's science's job. Likewise, science shouldn't try and answer every question imaginable, because science is only applicable in dealing with the objective. Subjectively, it's of minimal use. I agree with the OP--both atheists and christians should calm down with the rhetoric. If you're really secure in your beliefs (atheist or theist), you wouldn't become so irate at other's opinions.
Some religions (mainly fundamentalist) cause huge problems. Religion at its best harnasses altruistic energy for benevolent causes. At its worst, religion promotes intolerance, bigotry and persecution. But only some religions do that. I don't think the Quakers, or even the Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc., fall into that category. By the way, how did "religion' cause the holocaust ."? Nazis caused that. The role of "religion" was, at best, indirect. It contributed to German anti-Semitism, but certainly that phenomenon was far more complex than "relgion" (Judaism is a religion, too). Teutonic paganism admittedly bears a share of the blame, but so does the "science" of eugenics. And how do you explain the genocides under Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and other "good" atheists, who together killed more people than Hitler? Would the world really have been better under them? Would they be "focusing on things that really matter..."?
massive amounts of people were taking part in those historic events. it wasn' the leaders by themselves. it's the same principle as religion.
So hysteria is the problem. It would be hard to describe some religions as hysterical (hysterical Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopaleans, etc.?) It's certain forms of religion that can lead to such results. And except for radical Islam, religion (unlike atheism) hasn't been associated with mass murders for centuries. Giving credit where credit is due, I think secularization has had a good effect on religion, especially Christianity.
good god I agree. watch, atheists will start going to people's doors and try to convert people, like christians do pfft.
they do that? like on here? What ever happened to peace and acceptance and not critisizing other people for their beliefs? Good God [or lack of] leave them be.
