Will religion lead to the end of mankind?

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  1. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    Atheists and agnostics, I gather you here today to ask you a vital question: is religion, particularly the Abrahamic religions, a threat to mankind?

    What is the chance that fundamental religious will lead to the next world war?
    What is the chance that fundamental religious will lead to the next nuclear attack?
     
  2. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    Bigotry is dangerous in all aspects, but there is nothing particularly bigoted about the Abraham religions;
    There are just more of them.

    And I don't see why religion couldn't start a 3rd world war. The assassination of a divinely
    ordained heir to the throne of austria-hungary started the first world war. Hitler, in the
    first chapter of Mein Kampf says he's doing gods will by reconstructing the Reich....

    I don't see why a 3rd would be too outlandish
     
  3. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    My answer for both is, "slim".

    Political motives are what drive the trigger fingers of those in charge. Political motives is the 21st century way of saying, "money".
     
  4. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    Well, then, what do you think about the escalation of terrorism?

    I wanted to cover that in the OP, but couldn't think of a way to make, "How much more terrorism is there going to be?" sound intelligent =P
     
  5. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    Gods will isn't known to anyone, as no one is god. I don't believe in a higher deity, with alien life as a strict exception.

    Religion in many ways, IS responsible for most war that has been conducted, the rest of it isn't for a much better reason...Greed, hunger and support of the country in question's laziness covers the other %25 of the spectrum, or so I'm convinced.

    Its all a matter of perspective. It depends on what is going through a said persons mind when the turn the ignition key...If it be religion then your answer is definitely 'Yes' if its something else then your answer could still be 'Yes' if you are looking from the outside with a religious perspective.

    Key word.
     
  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    terrorism is fake.
     
  7. OptimisticFutureBlues

    OptimisticFutureBlues Member

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    Terrorism is real, the scope and depth we are being given is fake.
     
  8. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I think it is the media's way of gaining the emotional support of the masses. Yes, I saw on many news channels today the new news that the Taliban announced that they would be planning new attacks.

    I also saw pictures of them. Feeble men with muskets and shitty guns from the 1960s and just about anything they could gather that could be used to hurt.

    Are they a real threat? In my opinion no, not on a global scale anyways. Not to the extent that war is necessary. They are simply the best candidate to use to rally the support of the unknowing public in order to create stirrings of race and religion and get people to support the wars that are fought in the name of public safety, but are really commercial operations to gain supplies such as oil and lithium.

    There is no escalation. The real terrorists are right here at home. Our sights are pointed in the wrong direction.
     
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  10. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    Win.
     
  11. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Religion's not a threat, just a bit of a blow to our pride! :)

    I once wrote that Judaism is a threat to penises, Islam a threat to clitorises, and Christianity a threat to sexuality in general.

    If we can learn to leave eachother alone we may actually be able to be together! lol
     
  12. deleted

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    how does one or two nuclear devices end the world?... MAD is an OLD Cold war idea.... fact no other nations would follow through with MAD . It takes stages to reach this type of engagement... Its abouts as delusional as Red Dawn..
     
  13. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Politics economics and religion. I am a creator, like everyone else, and my will is that they be dissolved in love. Which kind? Any that leaves us intact, and alive. This would entail being allowed to die, but not encouraged to.
     
  14. Duck

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    What I mean by escalation is the spread of their message.

    So far, their recruitment of Westeners is pretty low but their attempts have been on the rise for a long time.


    I can picture many futures. One, where terrorism cannot withstand the global forces against it; be it the UN, the people of the countries where they are active, or the modernization of these countries.

    Another one is much more grim; terrorism becomes a global matter. Warring factions of most every religion.

    Most fall in between.
     
  15. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    The only real global threat of terrorism is the US's not so subtle moves towards globalization.

    The US corporations are a bigger terrorist threat than anything else.
     
  16. Makisupa Policeman

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    I don't think that religion itself will be the end to mankind, but i do think that the religious will be the end. Take Christians for instance, what jesus christ taught was to love one another. His biggest point of emphasis was loving your neighbor. However, how many Christians do you see today that follow this principle. I believe that the reason that this happens is today's easy accessibility to anything. We live in an age of instant gratification. You can have whatever you want whenever you want. So many people have gotten accustomed to this lifestyle, it turns them into savages. So when they see another culture that threatens their easy way of life, they automatically associate that with being bad and the only way to get rid of that threat is war. Same goes for many of the more modest eastern religions. When they think of America, they think of the over the top white man who calls himself a christian. They see this as a threat to their modest ways of life and see christianity as a threat. My point being that there are so many imposters who claim to be religious (ie christians who bomb abortion clinics and muslim terrorists), that their actions give their religions bad raps to the point where other religions just assume that all of that religion are like that. This leads to a deep hatred of the religion in general and eventually, religions are butting heads over something that isn't even real.
     
  17. junglejack

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    I was brought up to believe that religion, among other things, preaches tolerance; tolerance for another’s faults, tolerance for opposing points of view and tolerance for a different set of beliefs. ( 12 yrs of Catholic school)

    However, today it seems that religion is veering more and more towards extremism. There is the much publicized extremism of Islamic fundamentalists, who commit unspeakable atrocities in the Name of Allah. But at the other end of the scale, there is a kind of reverse extremism among people living in Western countries.

    It appears that in their zeal to appear secular, the establishment in the West has almost made religion a bad word.
    I personally think that the christain/Catholic followers are having a big issue coming to terms with the fact that there are more Muslims in the world than christains- maybe there always was, but the christains are now seeing this as a shift in power . This has been happening forever- -
    Of course because of extremism, the Muslim community will get a horrible rap- -but many years ago- it was the catholic church that were the extemists and wars were started in the name of Christainanity

    Maybe before ruling definitively on whether or not a God created the universe, we must first agree on what God is. And since that definition hasn’t been nailed down despite having thousands of years to examine all arguments, there will never be a singular answer that will please everyone.
    Could all this be the end of mankind- I dont think so, However, with the strong emotions that come with religion, its not unthinkable that because of shifts in the power base- things could get way out of hand.
    It sure seems crazy, that after thousands of years, people really never learned to respect the belief of others and just let them be without trying to force thier thinking,as the right, and the one and only.

    thoughts at 4 am
    jjack
     
  18. dark suger

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    I don’t think the next world war will have anything to do with this. It will be the red dragon china. They will gain wealth and they will steal technology. This will lead them to believe they are tuff shit and they will attack us. We will reply with a total assault on the east obliterating it completely (was that redundant just then?). The war will cause irreparable damage to the earth causing a world where the wealthy live as the poor do now and the poor live as wild animals in wastelands.
     
  19. Blissfullyawareofitall

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    No it won't, but it won't help.

    Eventually, humanity will wean itself off of religion until there's just a few cults in the world, hanging on by a thread in their regions of being. There will be mass depression, and there will be mass enlightenment. The realizations and truths of the world will spill forth like water over the rock of religion and corrode it away till it is nothing.

    This is when we evolve.. our minds evolve at least, to logic, reasoning and we move past archaic rules and laws (mind you not ALL of them are) and have a much free-er, safer and bolder society.
    We will accept homosexuals freely,
    We will be united by a basic principal that we're all human and in it together.
    We will move past laws against different schools of thought, like psychedelics.
    We will stop fighting for "GOD AND COUNTRY!!!1" and start to realize that our soldiers DON'T go to heaven, and that they're REAL PEOPLE who DIE on the battlefield FOREVER.
    We will accept things like early term abortion, not because we lack sympathy, but because we are filled with it. (Would you give your chance of life to make the world a better place?, I would)

    The world will not be completely just... but the second age of reason will begin, we will thrive, reduce our population through peaceful means, eliminate poverty and make the world a more perfect place.

    Or... we'll hold onto religion and kill each other.

    The choice is yours really.
     
  20. Duck

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    Politicians and businessmen in America supported the rise of anti-gay politicians in African countries like Uganda (much like they supported Hitler before/during WWII)
    I feel like there is a real fine line that atheists should travel to make sure not to add to the polarization of ideologies, while trying to soften religion's hold on our culture. Do you think this can be achieved, or that any fight against religion leads to fundamentalist atheism?
     

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