I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Well put.

 

This is something of a comedown from the original "we know how life began, silly Chrisitians" message earlier. As a matter of fact, we also don't know what consciousness is. Leading atheist Sam Harris who is also a brain researcher says we don't even know it's relationship to brains. On that subject I'm closer to you than Harris. I can't prove that human minds can't exist without brains, but that's my assumption. I don't expect my consciousness to survive my death, but I' must admit a certain discomfort that people more intelligent and learned than I am apparently disagree with me. The difference between us is that I'd never say that I know this, only that I think it's a reasonable inference from known facts. Science hasn't proven naturalism. It accepts it as a working assumption, as it must to accomplish its task. If people fell on their knees and shouted God in the face of anything we can't presently explain, science would grind to a halt. I just think, on the basis of other evidence that I've expounded elsewhere ad nauseum that there may be more.

 

Beautiful??

That whole post was pure stupidity.

Atoms aren't conscious??

Really now.

 

How is Consciousness a product of matter and energy when Consciousness is responsible for the functioning of all matter and energy?

You do realize that animal life on Earth aren't the only Conscious beings, right? Trees are conscious, as well as all other life on Earth, all the way up to Earth itself.

 

I would say that those priorities only apply in the context of a laboured ongoing science vs. religion debate.

Outside that context, if the question of where life came from is worth asking, it's worth asking for a better answer than "I don't know, but it wasn't God, so that's the important thing". I would hope that there is more reason to want to know from whence life emerged than just to disprove religion and annoy people.

 

Jesus just left chicago

 

You do realize that your statement above is a matter of pure conjecture, right? We have some reason to infer consciousness in mammals like dogs, cats, and especially apes, but trees? The source for that conclusion would be purely mystical or speculative. Some early Cambrian organisms, like tiny worms and urchins, may have had enough neurons to produce a rudimentary conscious or proto-conscious event--some kind of dim, half-asleep awareness, but that would be speculation.

 

Trees communicate with one another.

That isn't a sign of Consciousness?

Why, because they don't walk and talk like humans?

 

Sorry dude but you didn't actually 'PROVE' anything. You just guessed. Those are just THEORIES.

 

The notion that trees communcate is an interpretation of observations beginning with geologist Davey Rhoades in 1979 and expounded by Jeanne McDermott in the December, 1984, issue of Smithsonian. The initial observation that triggered all of this, I believe, was that trees secreted more defense chemicals when one of them was under attack by caterpillars. Is that enough to conclude that they "communicated" or even perceived the attack? Maybe some outside force did it. Maybe even God. Maybe we are, as HIndus believe, all part of a common Cosmic Consciousness. Maybe, to get more pseudo-scientific about it, it was the Akashic field, or zero-point energy, or the quantum field underlying all reality, as New Age fans of Irvin Laszlo might say. Maybe we're just guessing.

 

Perhaps.

Or maybe you should stop attributing Consciousness only to things that resemble human beings. That is just a byproduct of ignorance and just brings me back to the arrogance of the human race thinking that even though we are small specs of dust in comparison to the rest of the Universe, everything somehow revolves around us.

So I guess the Earth isn't Conscious either?

 

^^^very good point. I hope the OP is checking in on this thread.

 

I didn't bother to read through the 75 pages of this post, so please forgive me if this has already been said... BUT... Science has actually, very recently, recreated the conditions (what they believe the conditions to have been) for where the first life came from - that is living matter from non-living matter - and with the right levels of pressure, temperature, and elements it worked. So scientifically they can show how life came from things that are not living.

I can prove, however that God exists, within the thoughts, minds, souls of every person ever to live is a piece of the divine, every living creature, every part of everything around you is God. Science has also shown that the elements that make up all life was born in the birth of a star. That is God, or a supreme being or a higher consciousness, or what you want to call it. It's less important what you call it but more important that you, and all of us see the manner in which we are all cut from the same divine cloth.

Peace

 

Souldestroyer, is that you? I thought I detected a familiar presence in the green haze.

 

If it were not for the millions of theories that have been either proven or discredited, I wonder if humans would just believe nothing.

 

Most likely. They'd also know nothing!

 

Nope, still same old me, perhaps this souldestroyer is a kindred soul?

 

For me it pretty much comes down to the fact that the universe ain't random.

 

Non-randomness doesn't necessarily imply intelligence.

 

No one suggests that's how it happened. You can't prove God, but what makes religion impossible to be reliable theories is that you can't disprove them either.

The "Big Bang" hasn't been proven, either. There's evidence to support the theory, and there's no evidence that disproves it. But you can't disprove God, and you can't prove it either. You most definitely didn't prove it.

If you find comfort in practicing religion, or if you think you're a better person for having "proved" God's existence on HipForums, then that's your deal. But don't expect people to say, "wow, this guy is right. He just proved God exists." Because you didn't.

People can't understand everything of the world, let alone the universe. Historically and currently, people use religion to explain the things about the world that they can't make sense of.

Maybe there's a God, maybe there isn't. Whatever. I'm not controlled by a religion, thankfully.