100 hits

We all need people that are straight forward and the ones that are more cautious. That's also belonging to the process of learning. Once you know youself nobody can change what you really put your mind on.
Anyway don't want to go into this.
My opinion is still that you are both right and both of you are playing your roles very well.
Anyway 3xi you seem like a ok person to me and I completly undrestand what you are saying. But not many people will get it on the way you meant it. You must find a better way to aproach someone and change their opinion.
Waiting for update............

 

he should be all set...my bad about the comment stating the guy never ate it....weve all been waiting a while for an update so i got skeptical.

 

honestly i dont think that there is any way i could have worded it that would have changed their minds. the concept of tripping without a sitter is just too difficult for most people to understand. especially when they have so many people telling them why having a trip sitter is a good idea. actually i think that erowid and many other reputable sites recommend having a trip sitter.

i made my points clear enough. only closed minded people are unable to understand what i am saying. when they read what i write it goes against everything they have been told. it just really upsets me to see people like soaringeagle have so much influence when all they are doing is causing more fear and confusion. i dont regret making it very clear that soaringeagle and many others approach to tripping really upsets me.

if people want to use the way i say things and what i think of them as a reason not to listen to what i have to say that is their problem. my point is that even if i was as nice as i could possibly be they still wouldnt hear me.


for anyone who agrees with me but does not like the way i go about explaining myself maybe you could do it your way. i doubt very much that the reason people are unable to understand the point i make is because of how i said it. it has a lot more to do with how difficult of a concept this is to understand. first they would have to be open to the idea that maybe they are wrong before they are able to start understanding why.

 

you really have disappointed me.

how can you confuse what i say to mean something i would never say.

i am sure that if i actually said what you say i did then you could have just quoted me.

i strongly suggest that you go back and read what i said with an open mind. the concept is not easy to understand but i assure you that i am right.

if someone doesnt think that they will be able to handle 100 hits then maybe they shouldnt be taking them!!! if they cant handle it they cant handle it. if they can handle it then there is no need for a baby sitter.

just go back and read what i have to say with an open mind. being stubborn will only cause problems in life.

 

3xi... you know, I have been thinking about this thread, and I feel compelled to say one more thing to you. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I feel that you are probably more correct than soaringeagle. I think that soaringeagle was correct to point out the potential dangers, but I think that your attitude towards the whole thing is, as you claim, much healthier. However... and this is a huge however... you really are turning off so many people, including me, with the way in which you try to convey your knowledge. From the posts of yours that I've read, I think you understand LSD better than almost anyone on these forums, but your message isn't reaching nearly as many people as it could because you are not careful and tender enough with your words. The more pure and high and wise the knowledge you are trying to convey, the more delicately you must teach others, because the highest knowledge is often very hard or even painful for people to begin to understand. Thus, a very tender approach is needed, and I think if you reread many of your posts, you will see that they lack the requisite care. I only say this because I feel like you genuinely want to help the people on this forum and that you absolutely can help them because you are a highly experienced and thoughtful tripper, and I think that you would reach so many more people if you could learn from threads like this one that it doesn't matter what knowledge you possess if people are not receptive to it.

 

You know id say this situation seems to have worked out fine, but I have seen 1 person never come back from days of tripping, in his case, his mumbling never went away, and he now lives in a psychiatric ward, since his parents couldnt handle taking care of him due to emotional stress im guessing. But like a few people have pointed out, nobody is the same, so you can never really know what will happen. So I hope he turns out fine, let us know when he recovers! Personally, the situation seems fine to me, I fucked up once and chose to have the wrong people around while on a much higher doese than I expected(I couldnt speak intelligably at all, had no idea where I was or who my friends were) so to make a long story short, I basically freaked out, and one of the morons tackled me to the ground to restrain me which caused me to panic and react violently, so they couldnt control me, and decided to call the police, and I was arrested by 6 cops(basically attacked actually) and spent the remaining 7 or so hours of my trip locked in a hospital bed. So things could have turned out far worse for the guy.

 

yo you are rediculous bro

lol i told you my opinion. How does that have anything to do with being stubborn. I told you what i read, thats the impression that i got and i gave you my two sense. If i was stubborn ide be one of these fools argueing with you, but im not because your not wrong at all. Tripping by yourself is straight i do it and have much more spiritually profound experiences. I never said you were wrong about that. I said when you megadose you loose control of your body. You have no willpower over hwat you do or say...total ego death. Thats why i agree with soaringeagle in the respect that if your dosing huge you should take precautions to ensure your own safety as well as the safety of others. Obvously if you are some noob who just "wants to see what will happen" and a freakout is being expected than you are GOING to freakout.

All in all, from all the people whove ive talked to at festivals with years of touring under their belts, or who deal with the mass distribution of LSD, pretty much anyone with access to enough acid to take a megadose, they all say that doses that high arnt something that can be takin just on the premise that one can "hanlde" alot of acid. Regardless how mentally stable you are, doses like that can go wrong for ANYONE, its just luck of the draw. Frankly dude you need to chill with the parental guidance via hipforums. I respect that have experience, therefor i listen to what you say. But when you start telling other people how they should and shouldn't be from your marble podium, you sound like a douche bag...because you or no one else is perfect. Therefor, stupid statements like "go back and read what i said with an open mind, being stubborn can only cause problems in life" can be avoided. It had nothing to do with what i said, if i read something wrong my bad...but how can you say im stubborn when im usually on your side for all these epic arguements your so famous for.

ANywaaayyss...i agree with both of you...in a more general aspect i think 3xi is right becuase sitters are not needed while tripping generally. In this case i agree more with soaringeagle however because i think on a dose like that a person needs a safety net just in case. If i was tripping that hard i know i would want one of my closest friends there as a sort of lifeline to reality. If i was by myself on 100 hits my mind would play seriouuusss tricks on me.

 

you make haveing a trip sitter into such a big deal. perhaps just having a couple friends with you who are takign less drugs than you, or just chilling with someone, "who i sapose is a trip sitter". it doesnt have to be like, "ok man, i need you hear to be my trip sitter". it can just be a friend who your taking drugs with. and then thus there is no 'im gonna have a bad trip cause look i need a trip sitter, this is gonna be intense" perspective.
i hope i explained that right.

the person is just with you, no talk about trip sitter, no worry at all about that.
then thus there is no negative energy from them, thinking that they are a trip sitter and you need them cause you will freak out at the dose your taking at that time.
its just like that.
its all in the mind.

 

i think you are the third or fourth person to say this so i am trying to understand what i can do different. in this particular thread i made a conscious decision to come on stronger with soaringeagle. i have addressed similar issues with him in other threads with no success(i was nice)... this time i thought i would show him how much his attitude upsets me in hopes that he would perhaps stop and think. i wasnt taking into consideration what others would think and how it might effect how receptive they are. my mistake i guess - maybe i could have been nicer and others would not have used my approach as a reason not to listen. the reason i say maybe is because sometimes it hurts to hear the truth so if i was to be nice all the time i would have to be a liar. i am always honest and to the point - i am not going to circle the point ten times before i eventually get to the point. i am not going to avoid the point.

what i am trying to say is ok, i hear ya. i will be as tender and careful with my words as i can without being dishonest. hows that?

plus - no big deal. we do it to ourselves. if some of the people in this forum dont understand thats ok. maybe they will come around. i know that i got through in some way. there is no way that i could be a part of pushing them further into the world of fear and confusion.

so i am still not exactly sure how i will go about being tender and honest at the same time but i will definitely do my very best to understand what it is i can do to improve the reaction i get from people. i am definitely on the forums to help people. i am also on these forums to find better ways to go about helping people.

all in all i dont think what i did was so bad. a few people disagree but i think they would disagreed with me no matter how i went about saying it. i am thinking that maybe if i didnt let that soaringeagle guy get to me so much that everything i was saying would have magically come out better and others would have been more receptive.


believe it or not this is a very important issue. i am not making a big deal out of this - it is a big deal. a negative experience with LSD can effect someone for the rest of their life. people like soaringeagle think they are helping but they are only making matters worse and in some cases much worse. there are many people like soaringeagle in the world and i hope they all somehow find this thread so i can have at em...lol. soaringeagles approach to tripping causes more harm than good. he is a destructive force in many ways so it is not difficult to understand why i am upset with him. it is just that being upset with him meant that i was not as good as i could have been with conveying my message.

 

i never said what you say i did. you say what you get from what i say as if that is what i meant - like you somehow understood. i told you i did not mean what you think i meant and you should go back and read it again because i know you misunderstood me and i dont feel like repeating myself.

you have no idea what it might be like to take 100 hits. it is not how you think. there is not like some 50% chance that you will flip out. it has a lot to do with everything - set and setting are very important.

if your set and setting are great then so will the trip - doesnt matter how much you are on. lets not forget that mental illness is a part of set and setting. even when set and setting are not the best one can still have a worthwhile trip - the trip might be difficult yet rewarding.

honestly i think you just dont like me for some reason. something that i said has gotten you all upset. doesnt change the fact that i know what i am talking about. i think you hate it when i say that i know i am right. i am not perfect but i am intelligent. i realize when i am right and i am not exactly sure what is wrong with that.


i think you do get what i am saying - in some way.

 

your getting it!

i dont think it is good to trip around people who are sober or not on L. when i trip i like to be alone or with people who are tripping also. i find sober people to be a drain or downer. i know people who are not tripping get a contact high from the people who are tripping and i think that takes some of the high away from the tripper. this one you can try for yourself - if you find you are uncomfortable on a trip and you are with people who are not tripping try going someplace else to get away from them to see if you feel any better - thats what i did and i will never trip around sober people again. i can do it at a festival where i dont need to interact with people if i dont want to and i can always find a place to myself. i can go into a store and buy something as long as i dont have to be in there too long. i think that people who are not on the trip with you are just on way too different a wavelength.

 

hahahahahaha

dude...i obviously dont hate you, i dont even know you...to me your nothing but a digital construct on my computer screen. I just think your rediculous and amusing. Theres nothing wrong with being right, but i dont like being randomly talked to like im a child by some joe shmoe across the internet. Thats it.
I agree with your points i just dont really agree with your general disposition as your a bit portentious. I dont dislike like you for no reason. I have no problem with you until you start preaching like your the high king of enlightenment.

Anyways...set and setting obviously matter, never once did i try to downplay their importance. I also never said it was a 50% chance. I said, according to the more experienced, those things don't make or break the trip. They are important obv because its acid...set and setting mean alot, that goes without saying. Even under the perfect circumstance with the most stable of individuals, you could completely loose it without knowing it. You would be so deep in your trip that you could be having the best time of your life and still do something stupid, like step in front of a car, etc etc...I never said i had the experience. But ive talked to them...i know them...i dont know you. Most importantly, your overall attitude irks me, so I really dont take your points of view to heart. Obviously, im going to believe what they say, and not change opinions cause some random guy on hipforums has his own point of view which everyone on the fucking site disagrees with anyway.

 

there is no way id dose without my friends dosing too.

i could dose this weekend and next weekend if i wanted. but im gonna wait till next weekend cause my friends will be dosing then too. i wouldnt want to take acid with out at least one mate to experience the journey with. just knowing they are experiencing the same thing. allways taking the same dose at the same time exactly.

 

you have no idea

not wise to let your pride get in the way of growing and learning.

i think i know better than you. actually make that - i know that i know better than you. GET OVER IT. i talk to you like i know better because i do. there is no way i can tell you that i think you are wrong without coming off that way. you are lost and confused trying to convince yourself that you shouldnt listen to me because i think i know better than you.

you are too proud, that is really what it comes down to!

 

just stumbled accross these forums. this was the first thread i read.

i wonder what happened to this guy. 100 hits is alot of fucking acid. most i ever did was 10 strip. and it was defffff a hell of a time. good shit tho.

 

You must be the reason a lot of people hate canadians
Its the fuckin internet, you aren't proving anything...
And I didn't really have much of a problem with any of your posts until I read that one

 

such hatred... and your a guru apparently...lol

 

case in point

if you didnt post such rediculous statements more people would be apt to think higher of you, and all the experience you possess...but alas, you do post rediculous statements and therefore your just another goon on a web blog, stereotypically arrogent. Your a clown man im sorry, you speak words of wisdom but you completely negate every word by being such a pompous asshole and uttering the most rediculous/outlandish/straight up retarded comments i have ever heard...and your a dick about it. This is my view after witnessing about 10 epic debates that turned hostile after about one of your posts. You need a reality check man, your 30 years old in a online forum getting in arguements with teenagers about how you are the most enlightened soul in the whole thread, how everyone else is wrong (even if it is a viewpoint or an opinion), and how everyone else is inferior to mighty 3xi internet fucking warlord. Its weird, its creepy, its immature...if you really need too boost your confidence, go play mini golf or something.

This is the end of this arguement..peace

 

Those who know don't talk.
Those who talk don't know.

Close your mouth,
block off your senses,
blunt your sharpness,
untie your knots,
soften your glare,
settle your dust.
This is the primal identity.

Be like the Tao.
It can't be approached or withdrawn from,
benefited or harmed,
honored or brought into disgrace.
It gives itself up continually.
That is why it endures.

 

So what happened to the guy who took 100 hits? Am I the only one curious?