1000+ Soldiers Killed For Bush Oil.

Discussion in 'Protest' started by CyberFly, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    So all the problems in the mid-east are caused by Bush and Co.? So Iraq invaded Iran because of them. Yemem went into civil war because of them, women there are oppresed because of them, Israel has been attacked many times because of them, Lebanon was in a brutal civil war for decades because of them, the Kurds fight a gurillea war because of them, extremist make terrorist attacks because of them.
     
  2. LaughinWillow

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    The reality is that the VAST MAJORITY of the problems in the middle east are INDEED the fault of the west - though certainly not the US alone. The middle east has been a complete horrific mess ever since colonization created nations where previously there were none, since western nations like Britain and the US funded and supported brutal puppet regimes, since western nations decided that they would just "give" Israel to the "jews" (though actual ORTHODOX Jews are still the most vehement opponents of Israel and its barbaric treatment of the Palestinian people), since the US provided despotic governments like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Iraq with money, weapons, billions in trade, and turning a blind eye to the oppression of their people in exchange for their complicity in providing the US with cheap oil and silence/complicity in US attacks on their Arab neighbors. Not to mention the fact that in the 80's, the CIA was heavily involved with AlQuaida in the past and provided the group training and weapons. During the same period, in fact, Reagan's administration protected Saddam Hussein and blocked EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT by the UN to take action against Saddam for illegally gassing the Kurds - by vetoing every action suggested at the UN.

    Acting as if the savage history of colonialism and modern CIA coups, weapons provision, military and economic protection/support of despots, etc. has nothing to do with the problems in the middle east is absolutely absurd. Christ - stop living in a vacuum.
     
  3. dooncune

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    It is still their fucking choice to join. They know the risk they're taking. They spend years learning how to do a simple job - God forbid they actually have to do it.
     
  4. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Simple job seems like an understatement, and like I was saying for some its hardly a choice.
     
  5. Megara

    Megara Banned

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    hardly a choice? Thats a joke.
     
  6. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Why, like I said some people are given military as an alternative to going to Jail what would you do?
     
  7. Megara

    Megara Banned

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    if i feared dying or going to war? Go to jail. They still have the choice to go back to jail by not serving.
     
  8. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    I think if I had to go to jail or go to the military, I would probably do military, I would get paid at least to be in themilitary, and could send those checks back to my poor family if I had one. Im sure for SOME people it is hardly a choice.
     
  9. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Senior Member

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    <-- does NOT support our troops!

    Fuck the military all the way up to that evil fuck at the top.
     
  10. Bacchus

    Bacchus Member

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    Soldier is just a word for hired thug.
     
  11. nohelmetlaws

    nohelmetlaws Banned

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    That might have been the case 30 years ago, but in todays military you have to have a high school deploma, and no criminal record. In the current state of the prison system people are rarely given jail time for a misdemeanor, the people serving jail time are felons, and felons are not allowed in the armed services.




     
  12. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    My brother went into the military to avoid a jail sentance, so did a few friends of mine from high school. That was 5 years ago. (well, my brother just signed up)

    Of course, this is all in Flint, where I'm from. It's like a buffet for recruiters there...
     
  13. chickenchoker

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    I wouldn't put myself in that type of situation.
     
  14. chickenchoker

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    You fuck up and you pay the piper. How you do it is up to you. You can risk your life and get paid, or you can sit in a fucking cell and I pay for you to be there. I hope you join the military as well.
     
  15. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Thats not the question, why would anyone put themselves in that situation?

    I had a friend last year that took the probabtion and Jail time instead of the offered Military service. He was in cahoots with some kids who stole a safe from a country club.

    And really this is getting off subject,

    Also, I usually don't see Army recruiters hanging around my University when I was in college last year, but now that I am taking continuing ed at the local Community College they are all over the place.
     
  16. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    What seems to happen with every one of these discussions is that a statement is made and then a group of dissidents grabs ahold of one of the points in a serious of statements made. Why is this? Will proving one point wrong in a serious of points made discredit someone?

    Damn man, once again, why are you making his personal? I dont hope anything about YOU at all...
     
  17. chickenchoker

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    Hard telling why. Maybe their parents weren't strict enough. Maybe they just hung out with the wrong crowd. Some people are just fuckups and you can't do much about it. They most likely made some bad decisions along the way and now they have to pay for them.
     
  18. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    So the people who fuck up in theirs lives get a chace to get shot. All I am saying it that the persons who start the war are not theones who die in it.
     
  19. chickenchoker

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    No, they get a choice. Sit in a jail cell or join the army. If they CHOOSE to join the army, then they could get shot. Still their choice.
     

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