2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

Here is another example of misinformation

A story about a bar in the US that's linked to 80 cases soon after bars were allowed to reopen

How coronavirus spread from East Lansing bar to the Grosse Pointes

The layman hears 80 cases, well that sounds a lot, it must be because they let bars reopen. That makes sense right

If it were true however, the same thing would have happened in every recently opened bar in the state that had at least one infected person visit; along with every other type of large indoor gathering

Of course there is no evidence to suggest any of those 80 people didn't have the virus before going to the bar and spread it amongst their friends they usually hang out with or caught it from the same University most of them attend. And it's just a coincidence they all visited the same bar at one stage

But closing down bars again is a lot easier than closing down gatherings the police can't even find, or full lockdown of the whole state again

If the virus is far more infectious at day 4 and 5 after infection, then it is far more likely several concurrent groups attended the same bar whilst most infectious

 

So, why is the death rate going down?

You had 285 deaths reported in the whole country yesterday

 

You've had both the number of daily cases and deaths in the UK drop rather dramatically in summer. Only 36 deaths recorded yesterday

 

Of course, both you countries started off back in February / March this year with the infection starting from a couple dozen international travellers in a select number of poets/airports/cities

This coming winter, if the virus lays dormant in cells and people become infectious again once their immune system drops, there will be a starting point of millions of people.

There is still nothing to rule out next northern hemisphere winter being 10 times worse

 

Typical idiotic comment !!! - the reduction is based largely on the lock-down and has very little to do with the weather

 

There's still some legitimacy to it though.

 

Yes we've had some good weather, but in the light of VG's comment explain why powers that be are now talking of a local lock-down in Leicester because a recent spike in the numbers infected with the virus in that locality - that blows VG's theory right out of the window !!!

 

Lolz, they are going to try a local lockdown eh

One little town locked down when the surrounding areas are not, or the rest of the country

Let me know how that goes

Any of them even work out how you even do that?

Don't not worry, I'll tell you how it doesn't go in another month

 

He knows full well what he is saying is bullshit

You think before 2020 he was just as worried about getting a cold or the flu in summer as he was in winter?, and English winters at that. Of course not

 

Lolz, talk of the Leicester lockdown is coming from the home secretary, a scumbag nasty party member

So Vlad must agree with this as well:

"Patel also took aim at the recent mass gatherings, including the Black Lives Matter demonstrations and celebrations for Liverpool FC wining the Premier League. They they should not have gone ahead, she said, because they risk spreading the virus."

Leicester could be first place in England to face local lockdown

 

Given that the antipodean low-life anthropoid has in the past tended to rubbish the scientific establishment concerning Covid - 19, I presume he would tend to support the stance of Boris Johnson over that of Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, proving that his single brain cell is malfunctioning !!!


Government’s own scientific adviser warns of ‘very precarious’ situation and says infections likely to increase as lockdown eased
Boris Johnson accused of increasing risk of second spike by encouraging return to life as normal


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England’s battle against coronavirus is in a “precarious” state, with an increase in cases likely over the coming weeks, a member of the prime minister’s Sage advisory group has warned.

Sir Jeremy Farrar’s comments came as home secretary Priti Patel denounced as “unacceptable” the large gatherings at a number of street parties that have erupted into violence in recent days.

Ms Patel urged people going out to beaches and parks or protest demonstrations to observe social distancing rules and keep to groups of six or fewer.

But Boris Johnson’s government was accused by the Welsh first minister Mark Drakeford of fueling the danger of a second spike by encouraging people to behave as if normal life had resumed.

Sir Jeremy, the director of the medical charity Wellcome Trust, warned that the reopening of shops, pubs and restaurants would be followed by an uptick in Covid cases in the weeks to come.

He said it was “reasonable” to try to restart the economy, but told BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show: “In truth, the restrictions started to be lifted towards the end of May, the beginning of June, around that bank holiday. I would predict that we will start to see a few increases in cases towards the end of June or the first week of July.

“We’re on a knife edge. [The situation is] very precarious particularly in England at the moment, and I would anticipate we would see an increase in new cases over the coming weeks.”


Mr Drakeford said the Welsh government was offering a “much more sober message” than the PM about the move out of lockdown.

“We will continue to do things in the way we’ve done things in Wales – carefully, cautiously, one step at a time,” he told Sky News’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday.

“We put our efforts into planning first and making the announcements second, not making an announcement and then thinking about how you can make those things happen.”

His comments came as Mr Johnson told the Mail on Sunday of his plans for Britain to “bounce back” from Covid-19, saying he wanted to get the country “as close to normal as possible as fast as possible”.

Mr Drakeford said: “My concerns with the UK government are sometimes less with the substance, where I think we’re all broadly still trying to do the same things, I’m more concerned with the messaging, the way things are described.

“Here in Wales, I am very keen to continue to say to Welsh citizens: ‘Coronavirus has not gone away, it remains something that kills people in Wales every day, if you don’t stay on top of it you will see things going backwards and everything we’ve done together thrown away.’

“That’s a very different message to the message across the border where the message seems much more ‘it’s all over and you can go back to doing everything as you did before’.

“I think we’ve seen around the world how that leads to flare-ups of the disease again.”

Ms Patel insisted the UK government had taken “absolutely the right approach and responsible approach that any government should be taking” to lifting lockdown.

Asked by Ms Ridge whether Mr Cummings’s decision to take his family on a 500-mile round trip to a cottage near his parents’ farm in County Durham had encouraged members of the public to ignore lockdown restrictions, she replied: “Quite frankly, my view is no. That issue has been and gone.

“We are still living with the disease. It is right we act in a responsible and conscientious way.

“We urge the public not to go out in mass gatherings, not to participate in big groups but to follow the guidance – it is a sensible and responsible thing to do.”

The home secretary urged anyone going out of their homes to observe social distancing rules and not congregate in groups of more than six – including those who want to protest against the killing of George Floyd in the US.

"What we have seen with mass gatherings and protests is unacceptable and the violence against our police officers is also unacceptable," she said.

“I would urge people not to participate in gatherings or protests... It’s simply unacceptable to see people gathering in the sort of ways we have been seeing.”

A former chief scientific adviser to the prime minister Sir Mark Walport said that history will judge that the UK went into lockdown too late.

Asked if scientists had got some things wrong, Sir Mark told Ms Ridge: “I think there will be plenty of time to look at inquiries.

“I think that did the UK lockdown a bit later than it should, I think history will probably show that it did. I think we’re talking about decisions of days.

“The scientific advice was always very strongly to test.”


Former chief scientific adviser Mark Walport says history will judge UK locked down too late
He said what also needed to be looked at was the logistics of the response and “how much the UK and other countries paid in the insurance policies in advance to protect against pandemics”.

Sir Mark added: “I think that what history will also show is that those countries that have experienced previous very nasty … epidemics and infection have been better prepared.”

He said an important lesson was that “we need to worry a bit more about the next emergency as well as actually being well prepared for the last one”.

 

1. That article doesn't even reference any current government advisors. Tony Blair's old advisor, makes "Governments own" technically correct, just not the current government


2. Sir Jeremy Farrar's ground breaking pearl of wisdom that "infections are likely to increase" as time goes on....

Well, no shit, all the infections up till the time of the interview +1 is an increase

The dude spent 17 years in Vietnam studying bird flu


....and that's the expert advice we get? Errr, there will be more infections than there was before duh uh errr

 

I notice that VG has failed to respond to the implied question contained in my earlier thread, but then I didn't expect an answer from a single brain cell the size of an amoeba !!!

 

What thread? What question?

 

I didn't realize that. I think they may be using an average.

 

VG, I just read there is a special flu shot for seniors. It contains more flu virus and is more likely to stimulate the immune system in older adults.

Fluzone High-Dose: How is it different?

 

I didnt see this part before, why countries like Thailand and Vietnam did so well, and some Western countries didnt

Forget left vs right politics, first world smugness also got in the way. Maybe all those GPs at the ground level in Thailand do have a lot more experience than government advisors in our countries that spend 20 years in a lab with no contact with patients then the next 20 years in admin as a glorified bookeeper

We should have paid more attention to Sth Korea, Vietnam, Thailand

 

I had been saying 2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

Do you mean "we" Australia? I felt early on that the United States should have followed the lead of countries like South Korea and Japan.

 

[QUOTE="Vanilla Gorilla, post: 8845041, member: 83378"]I didnt see this part before, why countries like Thailand and Vietnam did so well, and some Western countries didnt

Forget left vs right politics, first world smugness also got in the way. Maybe all those GPs at the ground level in Thailand do have a lot more experience than government advisors in our countries that spend 20 years in a lab with no contact with patients then the next 20 years in admin as a glorified bookeeper

We should have paid more attention to Sth Korea, Vietnam, Thailand[/QUOTE]


That's because you don't read ANYTHING well enough !!! As I said before, your brain cell is malfuctioning !!!

 

3.9% hospitalization in 6 months with standard vaccine vs 3.4% with fluzone in this study

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(17)30235-7/fulltext


It still mainly comes down to how well their immune systems work