2020 Election

I feel like that's a pretty decent summation. That's what I understand about him, and nobody could even accuse me of keeping up with it. I can't believe @6-eyed shaman is sticking up for the slimeball. Or is he?

 

I already addressed this, but the words "you disagree with" deserve further comment. It's not that I disagree with the views. I'd never support restricting speech for that reason. It's the intentional abuse of speech to mislead that I find objectionable. Right wingers decry the evils of postmodernism, but have actually taken its relativism to heart where matters of fact and truth are concerned. Kellyanne Conway and Sara Sanders talk about "alternative facts". Rudy Guiliani tells us “Truth isn’t truth.” To the post-modernist Alt Right and Alt Lite, everything is relative; truth is what you want it to be, and what you can convince somebody else it is. I often have the impression that when you post, you're not necessarily thinking "Do I really believe this?" But rather "Can I spin this and twist the facts enough that I can get somebody else to believe it". I don't think it would be appropriate to ban such speech, but I do think it's necessary to call it out. That's what the "marketplace of ideas" is all about.

Everyone should be critical of feminism and BLM, because like most ideological movements, they have their zealots and excesses. But I think it requires enormous powers of denial to say that cops and white people haven't ever oppressed black people or that this is now all over with. I don't think we can seriously dismiss all the police shootings of blacks by police officers that have been so much in the news since Trevar Martin, or to say the blacks had it coming or must always have been at fault. And the history of black oppression under Jim Crow and lingering effects after are real, although I think African-Americans have made dramatic progress since passage of federal civil rights legislation. Nor is it possible to seriously maintain that women have been treated equally in the workplace or not been sexually harassed. Sexual harassment of women has been a reality of life that I've witnessed with my own eyes in the office where I work. But I think these issues are of the kind reasonable people can still argue about. The thing I find objectionable about your posts is your constant use of the fallacies of guilt by association and over-generalization in making your arguments. The notion that it is typical of feminists to deliberately abuse their male children as payback for male domination, or that the small group of African-American teenage sickos who tortured the mentally handicapped young man to get back at Trump is typical of BLM supporters is propaganda. The fact that you're so persistent about it after people have brought it to your attention suggests premeditation and deliberation.

"Social Marxism" , more commonly called "Cultural Marxism", is itself a propagands tool minted in conservatve and libertarian think tanks and used by right wingers who prefer labels to thought.The term actually seems to derive from Kulturbolschewismus ("Cultural Bolshevism"), used by the Nazis to brand political opponents, and has become "a common snarl word used to paint anyone with progressive tendencies as a secret communist. Cultural Marxism - RationalWiki
'Cultural Marxism': a uniting theory for rightwingers who love to play the victim | Jason Wilson
How the 'cultural Marxism' hoax began, and why it's spreading into the mainstream
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/what-is-cultural-marxism/
Jordan Peterson is only the latest pundit on the right to try to gain mileage from the concept by linking it to "Postmodernist Marxism"--an oxymoronic figment of his overwrought imagination. Once again you show your ties to the right-wing propaganda mill that favors slogans over substance.

 

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LOL – you should actually read what people say not what you think they said, because otherwise you can end up building arguments on sand – here is what was actually said

Do you know that one of the most popular books amongst the Silicon Valley elite is supposedly Atlas Shrugged.

The new age of Ayn Rand: how she won over Trump and Silicon Valley

I was not saying I believe it just passing something on that many others seem to think. Here are a few others -

Silicon Valley is still looking for John Galt

Silicon Valley’s Most Disturbing Obsession

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Ayn-Rand-so-popular-in-the-tech-world

Ayn Rand and Silicon Valley

The Bad Idea That Keeps on Giving - Los Angeles Review of Books

Travis Shrugged: The creepy, dangerous ideology behind Silicon Valley's Cult of Disruption

I could go on….

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I know you seem to love the book and are on record as saying you base a lot of your political and social view on it bit to me Atlas Shrugged is just this really crap and badly written sci-fi novel but as John Rogers has quipped –

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs"

 

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Sorry but as I’ve said before I don’t know if you are a racist but I do know that you are a bigot.

We can only go on what you say and a lot of the things you say come across as bigoted (irrational intolerance of others views) and the thing is that when asked about this rather than entering into honest debate you invariably run away, usually shouting over your shoulder that your critics are ‘socialist’ ‘Marxists’ ‘social justice warriors’ and recently the alt-right favourite ‘non-player characters’

You seem to want to play the victim, when you seem to be the one that is the bully, the one making the false accusation the one making the hurtful comments, the one trying to spread divisive hate.

If your views were worth anything then you would be able to defend them from valid criticism but you can’t

Want to stop been labelled a bigot, its simple, stop posting stuff that seems like bigotry.

 

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I have not seen this, it is a serious change so can you please cite these occasions and as the moderator I would like to know so I can give such people are warning?

You say you have been the victim of cyberbullying and found it a bad experience yet you do it, for example that horrible thing you call a ‘joke’ and other hurtful things you have said again how can you try and claim victimhood when you so often are the perpetrator?

Yes it’s hurtful and meant to be humiliating but – ‘it’s only a joke’ - that is the whine of every school yard bully pulled up for their hateful and bigoted remarks.

You even throw in for good measure the childish ‘you like your dick hard’ for good measure, you really are one class act

In the same way you don’t hate feminists as witnessed by your joke ‘‘I'd never fuck a feminist. Bestiality is illegal where I'm from’ - do you mean that kind of lack of hate?

So ALL Muslims are far right wing in their political ideology and follow an extreme religious tradition? And what exactly is ‘extreme religious traditionalism’?

So ALL feminists and BLM supporters are social Marxists, are they also social justice warriors and non-player characters as well?

So everyone that supports feminism believe all men oppress women?

So everyone that supports BLM believe all cops and all white people oppress black people?

Your seemingly bigoted and simple minded viewpoint shines through even when you seem to be trying to claim the opposite.

 

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You say this but every time I’ve asked you to actually produce the evidence of you supposedly addressing the criticisms levelled at your views you can never produce them (or make excuses why you can’t be bothered to find them).

Well first you would have to give an example and second you seem far more interested in pushing right wing propaganda than you are in having an honest debate so your reply can often be irrational or based on the theme of – you are a socialist/Marxist/sjw/npc.

Anyway one of those propaganda tricks is to try and play the victim, that the criticisms of you are not based on the things you say but on some unfounded personal animosity based on political stance alone.

In this I think you are projecting – the fact is your views are crap and you know they are so you are constantly trying to misdirect so people don’t realise just how crap your ideas actually are.

TO REPEAT – I’d love to have an honest and open debate about your views the problem so far is that you seem unwilling to enter into one, just as these replies have show you seem more intrested in misdirection based on faux victimhood than you do on addressing the many criticisms of your views.

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I mean we could use as a starter -

Are the Democrats back on track?

beginning Post 491, but taking in 500, 552-9, 565

 

Everytime I read the stand alone number of 500 two things only come to mind.

People are either talking about the

Daytona 500

Or

Indy 500.

 

Some musings

Right wingers claiming victimhood has always been a thing but is it me or has it grown?

I mean it seems to me that the tactic is been pulled out of the bag more often and more quickly has coincided with an increase in the number of people who have realised that right wing ideas don’t stand up.

I ask because I was watching this weekend an interview of the US right wing pundit Ben Shapiro by the British right winger Andrew Neil.

Andrew had only just began asking questions when Ben seemed to refuse to answer because Andrew was clearly a leftie and the BBC was some type of socialist propaganda machine that was attacking him and invading his space.

It seems to be a blocking mechanism, any criticism is countered with the charge that the critic is aggressively biased and out to cause the right winger harm, it doesn’t matter how valid the question or criticism might be it is portrayed as a violent attack as a means of getting out of answering questions that might reveal how bad the arguments are.

 

this.

 

Perhaps trump insisting that christianity is being attacked has something to do with it,

 

What I imagine you never Trumpers look like with your walls of nothing burger paragraphs after paragraphs ..

 

I saw an interview with Kamala. She insist that she will be the next president. I don't know, after coming strong out of the gate, she has slipped a bit in the polls.

 

Maybe she figured out whose salami needs to be slipped across her lips.

 

LOL I find this funny coming from someone who seems unable to put one coherent sentence together about anything….I suppose it must be hard for someone like that to realise others can actually think and write in paragraphs.

I guess such people revel in their mean and ignorant lives but to me I find it rather sad that someone is happy to have such a blank and meaningless existence.

 

OK

But I mean is this it – is this what the US right wing have become, the mean and nasty, the igronrant and the lying.

Is this what some 30-40% of Americans have devolved into?

It doesn’t bode well for the 2020 elections or Americas future.

 

Here in Florida, the two parties have managed to charge the taxpayers with an additional cost. We'll be having Florida’s Presidential Preference Primary next March.

In 2016 my wife and I changed our voter's registration from NPA (No Party Affiliation) to DEM so we could vote for Webb and against Clinton. When he dropped out, we changed back.

Well, we're probably going to switch again, but this time to GOP, so we can vote against Trump in this PPP next year.

Until Florida has open primaries, we'll use this method to accomplish that same thing. And if you're against Trump, and can live with any of the other candidates, switch you registration to GOP and vote against Trump. That is, if the GOP even allows a primary.

 

Some musings

What do you do in an election when one side doesn’t care about anything but screwing over their ‘enemies’ where it is more about what you are against than what you are for?

It seems to me that a large number of those on the right in the US don’t seem to stand for very much anymore, what are their coherent policies what do they stand for that stands up to scrutiny – I’d say very little they only seem held together by what they hate.

They don’t seem to what to build they want to destroy what they don’t like however illogical the basis for that destruction is.

How is that countered?

You can’t use reason because many of them seem to understand their stance is unreasonable and irrational and don’t seem to care.

Even facts and figure don’t work they seem willing to accept even the most implausible of ‘alternative facts’ and others seem willing to swallow whole the most outrageous conspiracy theories from the most dubious sources.

Even compassion seems sneered at as weakness.

So what can be done?

 

MeAgain

Oh I agree and that is the preferred short term solution, but I think this problem needs to be discussed and a longer term solution sort.

I mean if these people are left to fester it can’t be good for society and if they take the Republican Party with them into oblivion, well there is something worse than a two party state and that’s a one party state.

And if the Democrats are the main gainers in the spiralling decline of the right into madness then they will have no incentive to help these people.

I’ve always promoted education but many of the right wingers I’ve talked to seem to spurn education even when it’s offered or suggested.

As I’ve just posted in another thread, the thing is that there is no reason for people to be so ignorant these days, sometimes a few minutes of google research and contemplation would (or should I say should) make people revaluate what they seem to believe is ‘truth’.

It makes me think this is wilful ignorance that they are intentionally keeping themselves unaware of things that might interfere with their prejudices.