2020 Election

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  1. everything bagel

    everything bagel Banned

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    Just so we're on the same page here... wanting white Americans to live for a while as minorities so they can understand our struggle is a racist ststrment. Yes or no?
     
  2. guerillabedlam

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    Not directed at me but if you're asking me to live like Ichiro Suzuki or Shohei Otani it's definitely not racist but if you're asking me to live like a newly arrived Japanese immigrant who spent their last yen to get here and have no social structures in place to support them, then clearly racist.
     
  3. tikoo

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    Buddha Judge his tree
    hath no fruit , or did it
    fall far away ?
     
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  4. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I don't know of any Muslims who got exemptions from Trump, do you?
     
  5. everything bagel

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    And who is asking you or anyone to do that?
     
  6. everything bagel

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    If something changed, I apologize, but I thought he denied travel from certain countries and not from entire religions
     
  7. tikoo

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    Bernie vs Donald 2020 . They have a love .
     
  8. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Maybe they just didn't like Middle Easterners?
    Sorry Bagel, I don't know what happened here in the reply mode. But, to answer your question, I guess that I was making the point that when taken in totality, Trumps prohibitions on one nation after the next have now become a total ban. I think they let some diplomats come here, but the majority of the general public is not allowed to enter the USA. I just read an article about Middle Easterners being turned away at the Canadian border, even when they have lived in America for years and just went to Canada for a concert.
     
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    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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  10. guerillabedlam

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    Aren't you asking the hypothetical question?
    My point is that I don't think any particular minority group lives such an homogenized existence, so "our struggles" is going to vary between a famous Japanese baseball player to a destitute Japanese immigrant.
     
  11. Okiefreak

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    Police Mistake Black Foster Son For Burglar In His Own Home, Pepper Spray Him | HuffPost
    Michigan bank calls police on black customer trying to deposit settlement check from a racial discrimination lawsuit
    White Woman Fired After Blocking Black Man From Entering His Own Apartment
    White People Calling The Police On Black People Is Not New
    doing innocuous things — cooking, napping, gardening and meeting at a Starbucks, to name a few.
    He initially tried a complete Muslim ban, but that was overturned in court. He then narrowed it to a few countries, and added two non-Muslim ones (Venezuela, North Korea) and finally got it through the courts.
     
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  12. guerillabedlam

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    I think he was mostly referring to the first paragraph, if you need it spelled out by deductive reasoning...

    White privilege suggests all white people experience privilege over minorities

    Some minorities experience privilege over some white people

    Therefore white privilege does not exist.
     
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  13. Okiefreak

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    At first, yes. But after several court challenges, it was whittled down to a few (excluding Saudi Arabia where most of the 911 terrorists hailed from) an adding two non-Muslim countries: Venezuela and North Korea.
     
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  14. stormountainman

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    Check out: Trump's Travel Ban: Thousands of Lives in Limbo. written by Abraham T Zere of Al Jezeera English.
     
  15. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    And then last week he added at least 8 more Muslim nations to his earlier list. He is going about it the long way around but it amounts to a total ban which he first wanted.
     
  16. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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  17. Okiefreak

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    The concept of white privilege suggests that just by virtue of being non-white, non-white minorities face the presumptive disadvantages previously mentioned. Yes, if Denzell Washington showed up in a tuxedo at your average gas station, I'm sure they'd be glad to let him use the rest room. Presumptive, means giving someone the benefit of the doubt. The links that I posted by mistake in answering Everything Bagel's intervening question were
    Police Mistake Black Foster Son For Burglar In His Own Home, Pepper Spray Him | HuffPost
    Michigan bank calls police on black customer trying to deposit settlement check from a racial discrimination lawsuit
    White Woman Fired After Blocking Black Man From Entering His Own Apartment
    White People Calling The Police On Black People Is Not New
    There have been quite a rash of incidents of people calling the cops on African-Americans for doing innocuous things:cooking, napping, gardening and meeting at a Starbucks, to name a few. Mel gave is an example of an African-Ameirican being accused of stealing his own lawn mower. Things like this may happen once in awhile to whites as well, but I don't know of any instances. Possibly this is a result of media bias in selection of stories, but I think denying that these things happen at all smacks of cruising up that long river in Africa, De Nile. And to prove themselves, the non-whites have to conform as much as possible to the appearance and mannerisms of the white majority--which is probably not unreasonable. We don't need to revive eubonics. But without considerable prodding by the media and black activists, African-Americans would still be feeling bad about their appearance and investing in hair straighteners. That may be life in the big city, but it is a problem nevertheless for the folks concerned.
     
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  18. Okiefreak

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    Good example. Of course most of the folks at the Rainbow gathering are white, but they're also hippies--conspicuously different from the locals in appearance. Some of the local businessmen have caught on that they're getting the equivalent of a convention crowd in small towns off the beaten track, so they put up welcome signs. Others, less savvy, lock their daughters in the attic and view their new customers warily. And maybe justifiably. I recall gong into town for ice cream and being scrutinized with horror by the other patrons, with good reason. I was covered with dirt and dust from the trail and hadn't bathed for a few days. I wouldn't have wanted to meet myself in a dark alley. The point is judging a book by its cover--i.e., outward appearance. Of course, I'm also a racial minority, but usually don't have much trouble cuz I dress white and it's hard to tell and lots of people are Native American in my part of Oklahoma.
     
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    Buddha Judge the scent of woman
    as One Mother . Man , consider the hole
    in the rock . And emergence .

    The Living Light .
     
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  20. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Maybe it was the wedding dress and plastic tiara from dollar general you were wearing and they had yet to affix their gender neutral/disabled/ parents room decal on the door of the middle toilet, so they thought it best to go with no than risk a lawsuit
     
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