2020 Election

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  1. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    This morning you sound extra ignorant
     
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  2. Okiefreak

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    Of course the deniers of white privilege will say that's because they commit a disproportionately larger proportion of the crime. Which could be
    What's your problem? You don't like gays?
     
  3. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I carried out such a study: At a tire shop the service manager I observed being extra nice to conservative looking middle class whites, but did the minimal required non-friendly "just my job" number on non-whites. I was told by my sister in law that the cop let her go after running a stop sign, because she is white. I know that would have been a ticket for me. I worked in the trucking business for nearly 40 years and know for a damn fact that 99% plus of the management is white, even when they have no college degree and can't spell for shit.
     
  4. lode

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    That there are less Asian prisoners that the national average? Statistically Asian families are wealthier, and there are very clear links between crime and wealth.
     
  5. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Maybe it's their privileged attitude that got them put in the slammer in the first place?
     
  6. The justification for this is that "Hispanic is not a race". However, lumping them in with "white" people is equally misleading. For one, it causes the crime rate for white people to escalate in an unnaturally short time. But it also labels black-Hispanic people, as white. I don't know when this bit of genius was first concocted, but it has obscured the issue by cloaking it in race. Once again.
     
  7. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    He’s too old for that shit.
     
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    I really dont know off the top of my head about violent crime, but I do know black and white people commit non violent crimes at about the same rate yet blacks are much more likely to be arrested and imprisoned, and serve longer prison sentences on average, for non violent crime
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    If we called it white advantage or black disadvantage would it make it better? The real problem is it was seized on by activists for "consciousness raising" purposes, which entails stirring up anger and guilt. I remember in a discussion group on the subject at a local church, one woman said--well, I'm white. Nothing much I can do about that". .And of course the comeback was: that gives you a special responsibility to correct the problem. I don't necessarily believe that, but I do think we all have a responsibility to address problems we see around us, whether we're responsible or not.
    I agree that the root problem of racial conflict is socioeconomic disparity, which gets confused with physical or cultural difference. Race and socioeconomic differences are highly correlated in our society. Violence and street crime occur disproportionately in poorer neighborhoods. Used to be Irish neighborhoods, than Italian neighborhoods, now African-American and Hispanic neighborhoods. And demagogues find it too easy to deflect efforts to redress the socioeconomic disparity by shifting attention to race and those minorities!


    As far as crime statistics go, the FBI crime reports are geared to street crime, and a disproportionate amount of that is committed by people on the street, who are disproportionately non-white. Street people may also use more drugs, or do it where they are more likely to be detected. White collar crime--embezzlement, securities fraud, conning people into applying to Trump U, etc., isn't included, even though it might be at least or more harmful to society.
     
  11. tumbling.dice

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    This is too good not to post again...seeing as we're not talking about the 2020 election anymore.

     
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  12. guerillabedlam

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    No, I liked Tumbling Dice's idea for a name better. If white privilege is such an all pervasive force in the society than why don't we attribute the disproportiante number of African Americans in the NBA and NFL to white privilege?
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    I'm afraid I was distracted mid sentence by Tikoos; seemingly homophobic post. For the rest of what I was trying to say, see the last point on the Post #5330.
     
  14. Meliai

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    Wouldnt changing the phrase "white privilege" be a bit...oh, what's the word...
    Politically correct?
    Do we like political correctness now or is it still ruining our country? It's so hard to keep up with these things
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    Do you think that happened by virtue of an affirmative action program?
     
  16. Okiefreak

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    Just this morning?
     
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  17. guerillabedlam

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    No but I don't think it happened via white privilege like you must
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    One of the pieces of psychological evidence considered in its 1954 desegregation decision Brown v. Board of Education was Kenneth Clark's study on doll play--black children rejecting black dolls and preferring white ones. That was taken as an indicator that "separate but equal" was damaging African-American hearts and minds in ways that can't b undone.
     
  19. Okiefreak

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    No, I think it happened because the black players are damned good football players, and where sports is concerned that's the thing that counts. There was a time though when it didn't--when blacks suffered real opposition when they tried to join white athletic teams or go out for high school sports when they would be on the same team with whites. And lots of white folks back then defended that practice, cuz...So what does this have to do with white privilege. Blacks have found avenues where they can advance--sports and entertainmnent-- if they have talent. A better comparison would be your average black kid and your average white kid.
     
  20. guerillabedlam

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    So basically white privilege isn't prevalent, just when there are problems in a section of society you keep it in your back pocket to slap it on.
     
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