2020 Election

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  1. Meliai

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    Lol!
    And then Kim Jong Un resigns as a brutal dictator and goes to see about a girl
     
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    A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer and has no insurance.
    I'm just here to remind yall people shouldn't face this type of stress in a first world nation and that there's only one, maaaybe 2 candidates who will fight for single payer
    That's all. Have a nice day.
     
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  4. This figures!
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    Mel

    A friend of ours has only recently been diagnosed with cancer and our National Health Service has been absolutely fantastic.

    But many people in the UK fear what might happen to the NHS after Brexit especially a hard Brexit.

    It is well known that the right wing neoliberals that have pushed hardest for Brexit want to privatise the NHS (or at least well known to anyone that has looked into it).

    And US officials (and Trump) have already said that the price for any trade deal with the US after Brexit will be the opening up of the NHS to US corporations.

    It is mad to think that just at the moment when the US might be on the verge of setting up a single payer system the country that led the way, with the NHS, is likely to be dismantling its own.
     
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    I sincerely hope the NHS is not dismantled.
    It would be quite a shock to shift from a nationalized system to privatized, I would imagine.
    It seems like the NHS is popular, even among people who voted to leave the EU. From my small sample size at least
     
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    Mel

    That is the mad think about Brexit many voted for leaving in the belief it was going to help the NHS – they were simply lied to.

    The very right wing politicians that want Brexit ALSO want to dismantle the NHS and have already been starving it of funds so it fails (whereupon they say private companies can do better).

    It’s a big con and the thing is some people are still falling for it.

    I remember all the lies said to try and block Obamacare things like the ‘death panels’ and such, I’m just glad many Americans are now realising that Obamacare was just a step in the right direction and should now be replaced with a single payer scheme.
     
  8. The polls continue to become more numerous and variably skewed. This one is interesting 2020 Presidential Election Polls

    Booker | Trump

    43%

    45%
    Rasmussen Reports
    6/21/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    42%

    41%
    Fox News
    6/16/2019
    1,001 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    43%

    41%
    Fox News
    6/16/2019
    1,001 RV +/- 3.0%

    Sanders | Trump

    49%

    40%
    Fox News
    6/16/2019
    1,001 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    49%

    39%
    Fox News
    6/16/2019
    1,001 RV +/- 3.0%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    41%

    40%
    Fox News
    6/16/2019
    1,001 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    53%

    40%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    Booker | Trump

    47%

    42%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    47%

    42%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    Warren | Trump

    49%

    42%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    Sanders | Trump

    51%

    42%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    Harris | Trump

    49%

    41%
    Quinnipiac
    6/11/2019
    1,214 RV +/- 3.5%

    de Blasio | Trump

    38%

    46%
    Rasmussen Reports
    6/07/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 3.0%

    Sanders | Trump

    46%

    37%
    Ipsos/Reuters
    6/05/2019
    3,851 RV +/- 1.8%

    Biden | Trump

    50%

    36%
    Ipsos/Reuters
    6/05/2019
    3,851 RV +/- 1.8%

    Harris | Trump

    41%

    21%

    38%
    Ipsos/Reuters
    6/05/2019
    3,851 RV +/- 1.8%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    39%

    24%

    37%
    Ipsos/Reuters
    6/05/2019
    3,851 RV +/- 1.8%

    Warren | Trump

    43%

    38%
    Ipsos/Reuters
    6/05/2019
    3,851 RV +/- 1.8%

    Harris | Trump

    46%

    45%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    Warren | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    Sanders | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    44%

    46%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    Biden | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    46%

    46%
    Change Research
    5/24/2019
    2,904 LV +/- 1.8%

    Warren | Trump

    46%

    44%
    Rasmussen Reports
    5/24/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 1.5%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    40%

    41%
    Fox News
    5/16/2019
    1,008 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    43%

    41%
    Fox News
    5/16/2019
    1,008 RV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    41%

    41%
    Fox News
    5/16/2019
    1,008 RV +/- 3.0%

    Sanders | Trump

    46%

    41%
    Fox News
    5/16/2019
    1,008 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    49%

    38%
    Fox News
    5/16/2019
    1,008 RV +/- 3.0%

    Sanders | Trump

    54%

    46%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    50%

    50%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    54%

    46%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    51%

    48%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    52%

    48%
    Emerson College
    5/13/2019
    1,006 RV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    42%

    47%
    Rasmussen Reports
    5/10/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 1.5%

    Harris | Trump

    49%

    45%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    47%

    44%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    Biden | Trump

    51%

    45%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    52%

    42%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    Sanders | Trump

    50%

    44%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    Warren | Trump

    47%

    48%
    CNN/SSRS
    5/02/2019
    913 RV +/- 3.9%

    Biden | Trump

    43%

    20%

    37%
    Hill-HarrisX
    4/26/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.1%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    40%

    44%
    Rasmussen Reports
    4/26/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 1.5%

    Biden | Trump

    42%

    24%

    34%
    Morning Consult / Politico
    4/24/2019
    1,992 RV +/- 2.0%

    Harris | Trump

    50%

    50%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    Sanders | Trump

    51%

    48%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    Warren | Trump

    48%

    52%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    Biden | Trump

    53%

    47%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    49%

    51%
    Emerson College
    4/15/2019
    914 RV +/- 3.2%

    Sanders | Trump

    44%

    47%
    Rasmussen Reports
    4/12/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 1.5%

    Gillibrand | Trump

    47%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Warren | Trump

    48%

    42%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Booker | Trump

    48%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Sanders | Trump

    49%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Buttigieg | Trump

    45%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    47%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Biden | Trump

    53%

    40%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Harris | Trump

    48%

    41%
    Public Policy
    4/01/2019
    846 RV +/- 3.4%

    Biden | Trump

    49%

    44%
    Rasmussen Reports
    3/29/2019
    5,000 LV +/- 1.5%

    Sanders | Trump

    44%

    41%
    Fox News
    3/24/2019
    1,002 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    40%

    42%
    Fox News
    3/24/2019
    1,002 RV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    39%

    20%

    41%
    Fox News
    3/24/2019
    1,002 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    47%

    40%
    Fox News
    3/24/2019
    1,002 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    49%

    47%
    Change Research
    3/20/2019
    4,049 RV +/- 2.5%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    48%

    47%
    Change Research
    3/20/2019
    4,049 RV +/- 2.5%

    Harris | Trump

    48%

    47%
    Change Research
    3/20/2019
    4,049 RV +/- 2.5%

    Sanders | Trump

    50%

    46%
    Change Research
    3/20/2019
    4,049 RV +/- 2.5%

    Biden | Trump

    51%

    46%
    Change Research
    3/20/2019
    4,049 RV +/- 2.5%

    Biden | Trump

    55%

    45%
    Emerson College
    3/19/2019
    1,153 RV +/- 2.8%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    49%

    51%
    Emerson College
    3/19/2019
    1,153 RV +/- 2.8%

    Harris | Trump

    52%

    48%
    Emerson College
    3/19/2019
    1,153 RV +/- 2.8%

    Sanders | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    3/19/2019
    1,153 RV +/- 2.8%

    Warren | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    3/19/2019
    1,153 RV +/- 2.8%

    Sanders | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    Booker | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    Warren | Trump

    53%

    47%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    Klobuchar | Trump

    51%

    49%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    53%

    47%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    Harris | Trump

    52%

    48%
    Emerson College
    2/16/2019
    1,000 RV +/- 3.0%

    Biden | Trump

    52%

    45%
    Change Research
    2/01/2019
    1,338 LV +/- 2.7%

    Harris | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    2/01/2019
    1,338 LV +/- 2.7%

    Warren | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    2/01/2019
    1,338 LV +/- 2.7%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    47%

    46%
    Change Research
    2/01/2019
    1,338 LV +/- 2.7%

    Sanders | Trump

    48%

    46%
    Change Research
    2/01/2019
    1,338 LV +/- 2.7%

    Biden | Trump

    53%

    41%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    O'Rourke | Trump

    47%

    41%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    Harris | Trump

    48%

    41%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    Gillibrand | Trump

    47%

    42%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    Warren | Trump

    48%

    42%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    Booker | Trump

    47%

    42%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%

    Sanders | Trump

    51%

    41%
    Public Policy
    1/22/2019
    760 RV +/- 3.6%
     
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    Polls are meaningless as they are skewered by those asking the questions and the way questions are framed.

    It's way too early yet to consider any of this. The dog fight for the nomination hasn't begun in earnest. When that fight is over and a nominee is clear then we can discuss a fall match -up.

    Very quickly this over crowded field will be winnowed to perhaps four contenders then the slug fest can begin.
     
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    Is this a funny reference to Trumps inauguration? :sunglasses:
     
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    Polls are influenced by the way the questions are framed and other aspects of their design, but that doesn't make them meaningless. Those things can be examined, and the polls discounted accordingly. But they are a snapshot in time, and it is very early. The winnowing process is already proceeding nicely, with five candidates standing out in terms of the polls and campaign contributions. As of July 2-3 (Realclear Politics)::
    ABC News/Wash Post Biden 30, Harris 13, Sanders 19, Warren 12, Buttigieg 4, O'Rourke 2, Booker 1, Castro 3, Gabbard 1, Klobuchar 2, Yang 0, Bennet 1, Bullock 0, Inslee 1 Biden +11
    Economist/YouGov Biden 23, Harris 15, Sanders 9, Warren 19, Buttigieg 8, O'Rourke 2, Booker 2, Castro 1, Gabbard 1, Klobuchar 0, Yang 1, Bennet 1, Bullock 1, Inslee 1 Biden +4
    Quinnipiac Biden 22, Harris 20, Sanders 13, Warren 14, Buttigieg 4, O'Rourke 1, Booker 3, Castro 1, Gabbard 1, Klobuchar 1, Yang 1, Bennet 0, Bullock 0, Inslee 0 Biden +2
    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Harvard-Harris Biden 34, Harris 9, Sanders 15, Warren 11, Buttigieg 3, O'Rourke 2, Booker 3, Castro 1, Gabbard 2, Klobuchar 1, Yang 1, Bennet, Bullock, Inslee 0 Biden +19
    Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus USA Today/Suffolk Biden 24, Sanders 9, Warren 13, Buttigieg 6, Harris 16, Klobuchar 2, O'Rourke 1, Booker 2, Delaney 1, Gabbard 1, Bennet 1, Castro 1, Yang 1, Inslee 0. Biden +8
     
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    Hey Okie, Elizabeth Warren is looking good today. She raised $19.1 million all by herself, without big money or PAC money.
     
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  14. She's still a lying hag. I hope she gets the nomination!
     
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    Now that I saw the YouTube video where she paused and said " I think I'm gonna have a beer " I'm much more comforted that she's real just an ordinary person like me . I'm now much more inclined to support her if she continues to do well.
     
  16. She's an "ordinary" member of the 1%.
     
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    Panic

    Can you explain your thinking?
     
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    Why do you say that?
     
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    Citizens beware ! As I predicted in an earlier post Jerome Powell is riding to the rescue with a quarter point cut in interest rates. All this at a time when unemployment is low and if stats are to be believed the economy is doing well.
    Powell will most likely return rates to 0 by election day producing a Dow of 30,000 - 35,000. While no one was paying attention the stock market has become the measure of America's economy. That's right folks , as long as the 1% on Wall Street are celebrating new highs it's all good.
    All policy is designed to benifit the banksters.

    It was championed by Obama as Yellen and Bernanke before her sat on 0 interest rates inflating the market to unprecedented new highs. When it surges to unprecedented new highs watch Trump start beating his chest.
     
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  20. We're supposed to see obvious inflation as unemployment goes down. It's usually what happens. Then we get a market correction and then a recession. This time the usual rules and models aren't working as expected. So I'm afraid the economy is almost a complete wildcard at the moment.

    As for stocks, it's not just the 1% who are directly affected. Pensioners, people in 401K plans, unions and municipalities are also keeping a watchful eye on the market (and cheering when it's up). I'm still planning for a recession within the year.
     
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