2020 Election

I think that affordability is of primary concern when it comes to policies about for instance healthcare. I don't like the undue burden on the rich to be honest. It's not like they can't afford it, and at the same time it isn't like we can (middle lower/middle lower whatever "we" means). But I think that it's a worthwhile endeavor to explore the possibility of everyone contributing to the financing of healthcare.

Such that it would be like "ok, you guys who make less than 100,000 a year pay X dollar amount" or "ok, you people making 150,000 a year married filing jointly. You pay X% of your earnings while the other pays Y%. Fair?"

Something besides demonizing the shit out of the upper class. That just alienates them and divides parties and stuff or puts a far deeper line between democrat and republican voters/Americans.

The talk about corporations is more acceptable in my opinion because they aren't a household. I mean if they're overtaxed they will fire everyone in sight. But I think to some degree you can tax them. Particularly when they overpay their CEOs and stuff.

I don't know what else to say, but I don't like the taste of it when it comes to affordability of the policies I'm in favor of. Maybe there could be a law saying any corp paying a CEO over 300k can match each dollar over that amount in taxes.

 

Yes if we are capitalist we accept there is an upper class. Someone worked hard and got paid. I know personally I work hard so my labor does have more value than Burger King.

I like the rich people who give back not the ones who say they are job creators and pay little to no tax since they can pay an accountant to not pay taxes. It's not fair the the middle class pays the most tax. Capitalism has greed baked in. We must regulate the greed.

 

Admittedly I am not a Sanders fan.
How Bernie Sanders, The Socialist Senator, Amassed A $2.5 Million Fortune

I'd vote for Warren before I would vote for Sanders.
I know, that's pretty republican of me.

 

Is it because he has money? That seems to be a common gripe.

Well as long it's not Trump. That is the goal of us all.

 

Isn't that "racist"?

 

Andrew Yang has been the only candidate to touch upon the positive implications for businesses and corporations in switching to a single payer healthcare system this far, and I think it's probably the most important point that can be made.
My employer spent over 10k on my health insurance benefits last year
And there are around 800 employees

Then you have to factor in the administrative work that goes in to creating the benefits packages, offering it, signing people up
It's insane to put that sort of burden on employers. Our healthcare system makes no logical sense, for many reasons, that only being one of them

 

So if it's true, it's a "right wing talking point"? How revealing!

 

No.

 

What are you talking about?

I said flagme was repeating right wing talking points
And you said oh Bernie did that too
You said Bernie was repeating right wing talking points, not me

Are you ok?

 

No, Bernie accused CNN of using "right wing talking points" because he didn't want to answer the question. It was a classic deflection.

 

Feigned concern! Now THAT is classic deflection!


Bwahahahahahahaha, oh God thanks for that!


ahahahahahahahaha I love it!

 

And that's probably fair (i didn't watch though)... because the bloody media does that! They tend to turn the tables on people. Poor Bernie.

I don't have a favorite candidate now, personally... I'm probably gonna like Biden, but I haven't heard him talk yet. I saw one article that called him very effective or something like that. I dig that!

 

You're on the mark, Biden is the only viable choice for democrats. Without Biden, I seriously doubt Obama would have been president. Too many people overlook that. Biden has been a Washington fixer for decades, usually behind the scenes. Which is why so many STUPID democrat candidates are treating him like he's a pushover. They're SO screwed if he wins.

However, his showing last night was not so good. So I'm inclined to start planning for another Trump term.

 

Oh. I looked this up and I guess you're talking about when the moderator brought up the issue of middle class taxes rising to pay for Medicare for all

A talking point is something without much substance behind it, or only a half truth said in a manipulative way in order to conceal the total truth

And in this case, the half truth is that middle class taxes would rise. The whole truth is that taxes would rise but the middle class wouldnt have to pay premiums or deductibles (my yearly premiums are around $1500 with a $5000 deductible, for example..and that doesnt include dental, which is $90 more a month) so the out of pocket costs would actually be much lower. Which Bernie explained, he didnt deflect, and has explained over and over, for the last 30 years lol. That's another element of a talking point, it continues to be repeated even after it has been answered, explained, and debunked.

 

You're welcome.

 

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But it hasn't been debunked at all. The only way this can work is by squeezing the middle class. There simply are not enough of the wealthy to bilk in this matter when over 350 million people are expected to get "free" healthcare. There is also nowhere near enough medical infrastructure in the US for the population we currently have (legal or otherwise).

I used to like Bernie, until I learned more about his "accomplishments". So far the only legislation he has successfully gotten passed was to rename a post office. But hey, that's still better than Kamala's record. Face it, Biden is the ONLY chance for beating Trump, the rest of this has been a failed fashion show for the democrats.

 

You slay me sometimes! I wish I could have your babies.

 

Yes the middle class would pay more in taxes but they would pay less out of pocket and would receive more comprehensive care. Exactly what I said in the previous post.

I've seen you say there isnt enough healthcare infrastructure in the US multiple times but you haven't provided any proof so I dont know what to do with that one.
And here's the thing, how Americans approach healthcare would change drastically under a single payer system. There would be a much larger focus on preventative care. People wouldnt put off seeing a doctor until they're in stage 4 cancer. Diseases would be detected and managed much earlier. General practitioners would gain patients but emergency rooms would see a decrease in patients. There would be a shift in how the existing infrastructure is utilized. Single payer healthcare incentivizes prevention; for profit healthcare incentivizes (expensive) treatment

And I also think people tend to look at single payer healthcare in terms of how much we pay now. But we have the most expensive healthcare in the world precisely because of the profit motive. We pay much more of our GDP in healthcare costs than other nations and get less for it. 18% of healthcare costs come from administrative work that would largely disappear in a single payer system. The profit motive element inflates prices to absurd levels. Healthcare would be significantly less expensive under a single payer system; you can compare costs here and in every other first (and some third) world nations to see that much.

 

You can have one of my eggs

 

This isnt true. This is what I like to call a talking point and a dishonest one.

Fact checking is important.