2ci & 2cc

Oye. Way to cross-pollinate threads and derail this one entirely off subject for the sake of taking a jab at a personal opinion of mine you don't happen to agree with.

I'm failing to see how it's a problem to not wish for a ridiculously powerful psychedelic, made even more powerful by extracts, to be widely available to kids looking to get fuct up on a "weed substitute"

I am here offering advice/contributing information to a specific community of adults for the main purpose of HARM REDUCTION. My personal opinion on the legality of a substance in this matter does not play a role in the information I share when answering what "drug combos" I like best.

You obviously have not smoked enough Salvia if you believe it is on par with amphetamine analogues and should be treated equally. Last time I checked, 2c-b wasn't available OTC at my local headshop to anyone with a fake ID and $30.

Now please resume original subject matter of thread and make an actual contribution to this discussion, or kindly insert a cock in your mouth. Cheers.

 

I would do B and LSD before I even thought of throwing 2c-e into the mixture. I can't say for sure because I don't know, but I feel like 2c-e would do nothing but try to compete with the LSD given its "pushy" nature, that coupled with the uncomfortable body load and I just see it being a rough ride the whole way through. For me at least. An epic fight to the death using your body as a battledome. I can see 2c-e showing up thinking it's the shit with its flashy light show of multicolored geometric plasma, while Lucy sits back silently nodding and waiting for it to finish, then BAM, counterstrikes 2c-e and makes it question what it really is and what it's doing here? 2c-e struggles to regain footing by latching mercilessly to the last remaining shard of your ego, makes one last furious charge like a bison wounded with an arrow... and so on.

2c-b and LSD sounds like an amazing, intergalactic, mindblowing, ninja robot cupcake lesbian necktie love affair that eludes modern language and could only be expressed through a series of primal grunts and cries of ecstasy. Once again, no personal experience yet on the combo, but given what I know of the 2 on their own (congrats, I'll buy you a shot if you actually made it to the end of all that nonsense :cheers2

 

Didn't read the thread, for the first time... hm..

But OP, 2c-I has given me the most intense body orgasm ever. MDMA, coke, meth, any opiate, etc. is nothing in compared to a 45mg 2c-i trip.

I have tried, many RC's (DPT, DiPT, Butylone, 4-aco-dmt, mdpv, ethcathinone, etc..) The only RC that I think is worthy of the "acid" level is 2c-i. (Persoanlly, I think 2c-e sucks, bad...)

But, just to remind you, I am but one person of many. So get 2c-i

 

I imagine 2c-b, 2c-e, and 2c-i would all be nice in light combination with lsd. My buddy loved adding 20mg of 2c-e 2 hours into his lsd dose. Still haven't tried it personally though, lsd has always been enough for me. Adding some 2c-e sounds the most intriguing to me though, as the way 2c-e affects music is unlike any other drug I have experienced. It's like it turns my head into a gigantic empty cavern where sounds stretch and morph and slapback and continuously reflect and bounce off the surfaces.

Codmouse, your hatred of 2c-e used to bother me a lot more when I had only tried 2c-e haha. Now I understand a bit better. Ime 2c-e can be amazing though, and I do need to revisit in a couple months. 2c-i also gave me some fucking fantastic body sensations like you mentioned, unlike any other drug. Truly orgasmic, easily the best effect of the drug.

 

Wow 2C-I gave me horrible effects.

 

4aces is weird with visuals. I don't really get any until 50mg, which is total mindfuck for 2 days ego death temporary insanity. Even at 40mg there was only pretty subtle visual effects, you're right, it's mostly body high and headspace change, but quite marvelous. What's your highest dose?

 

Definitely the case at 35mg. Maybe slight visuals but I was so in my head I wasn't paying much attention. And when I did, it seemed my eyes would dart and be unable to focus well.

Not to highjack thread, but you get euphoria on 4aces? I remember feeling...okay. Really fucking high from good weed, but not really euphoric. First time I ever wanted to use the word synthetic to describe how a drug felt as well. And it even reminded me of salvia at times, of all things. It got so much better, in terms of body load, on the comedown, but then again I really think a lot of that was the weed. Shows I need to revisit, I think my 2nd time will be better all around.

 

Lol, yeah. I can see how 2c-e would be cool in certain situations. But I think that there are other better things to give you a "deep" trip.

Like I said at the end of my statement, "But, just to remind you, I am but one person of many"

4-aco-dmt can be by far one of the most visual trips ever. Confusion is intense though. I did ~50mg. It was nuts... The only drugs that I think are capable of doing that kinda thing are DPT, LSD, and higher dose 2c-e (maybe)

 

i'll take a shot of yukon jack.

actually, i don't like drinking too much. how about a shot of 2c-b water?

nice vocab

 

4aces is always EXTREMELY visual for me, also EXTREMELY euphoric.


Neuro you should explore further the experiences vary so greatly with it.

 

I'm still very disappointed by 2ce's reputation. I have tried many psychedelics, and 2ce has given me some of the most influential and beneficial trips of my life, even better than 2cb. Also, it is wonderful when combined with 2ci. I don't know about 2cc, but I've heard it's one of the more spiritual and "clean" phens, when properly dosed, so I imagine it would be amazing when mixed with either 2ce or 2ci.

 

2C-E just makes me too ill to want to use it again.

 

Then you should dose high enough so "ill" is an impossibility.

 

I'd rather take LSD, 4ACES, DMT, K which i have in great amounts at the highest quality. That said i did order 10g 2CE last week

 

Dose 50mg ASAP

 

p0ly, do 60mg. I'm super serious. It is something else

neuro: yes i find 4aces extremely euphoric, like the best mushroom belly-laughs-with-creation euphoria.

 

i agree... from what i had read from experiences.. i was weary of 2c-e.. and it was absolutely amazing.. 2c-i.. which people seem to say is more mellow.. i hated... the buzz was horrible...

 

4-aco is very visual for me even at lower doses. OEVs are not quite as obvious, mostly translucent/grayish grids of Alex Gray eyes over everything, some breathing and "heat rising off a BBQ" effects. CEVs are completely the opposite side of the spectrum, ranging from neon-sign outlines of of animals, flowers, objects, to some of the most intricate and colorful swirling geometry I've ever seen, to elaborate 2-D cartoon/video game scenes with recurring themes of space stations and octopi. I even watched this little claymation hotdog-people world once..

I only seem to get outward euphoria and laughter on lower doses. Anything above 25mg is more serious, despite the lighthearted silly cartoon CEVs.. they just make me smile in awe but I guess there is some euphoria from the sheer beauty of the visuals. 4-aces and 2c-e are the 2 chems that never fail to make me say "How am I SEEING this? What did I do to deserve such beauty??"

 

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I don't have experience with DPT as I am nowhere near ready for it, but you can't go wrong with 20mg 4-aco your first time. You might find it a little underwhelming or you might find it intense as hell, the dose curve affects everyone so differently but being only your first time, look at it as just that. You're just dipping your toes to feel it out, I don't think there is any proper or improper first time, you want to make the best of it regardless, and know that there will be plenty future opportunities to further explore the substance. I have wasted a lot of tripping time wondering "am i doin it rite" "is this how it's supposed to feel? i better take notes for later..." and now I kind of regret it for not just going with the flow. Not to say that you will do that, but it's an easy mindset to slip into and before you know it, your trip's almost over! I know what you mean though, you just want a good introduction to the experience that says "welcome to 4-aces!"

I don't know how much similarity you will find between 2c-b and 2c-e, the music enhancement is fantastic on both, but in different ways. There is definitely an underlying buzz of some sort that you might notice is specific to 2c's and no matter which one you choose, it's this unmistakable feeling that is distinct to the 2c's (all the ones I've tried at least). 2c-e is a solid chem for sure and I recommend going into it with no expectations or intention to compare it to 2c-b, experience it for what it is and you surely won't be disappointed