2ci & 2cc

just kidding around now man. my apology was sincere :sifone:

 

I felt that way also.

I agree with a lot of what Mr.Writer said honestly. Sometimes, you come across things in life that are so painful yet uncontrollable that you just have to laugh or you'll want to blow your brains out because it's so sad. I choose to laugh. Sometimes laughter is my defense mechanism.

Fact is cosmoknot, you sound like you made your mind up already to try these untested combinations, so if you die I will probably laugh. I will laugh because it's life, and horrible, beautiful, tragic, glorious things happen all the time, every second, and this amuses me. But please know that I don't want you to die and don't want you to risk your life like the way you plan to, your plan seems completely over the top and unnecessary. So I hope you stay safe in whatever you decide, but I will always laugh at how life turns out, I'm sorry it seems harsh.

 

cosmoknot, i'd just like to add that the only instance of IM DPT i've read was guerilla's. i believe he's only done ~75 mg, so it seems like you are planning on doing a FULL dose, after having taken 50 mg of tryptamines, and 30 mg of PEAs rectally. so while i somewhat understand your desire to push the limits, maybe you might think about lowering your dosages. like maybe 20 mg each tryptamine, 10 or fewer mg of each PEA, and 50 mg DPT
just seems like A LOT, dude

 

I'm curious how it turns out. If he feels he can handle it, and I know he's a very experienced tripper, then I think he'll be fine and meet with no danger. Like porky said though.....maybe you should adjust your dosages a little and see where it takes you, before you take the higher doses.

 

I think the dangers here are physical, not psychological, so his tripping experience is not important here, it will only be helpful if he has a bad trip, but i'm not concerned about that, i'm concerned about him going into cardiac arrest from eating 12 different stimulating psychedelics along with a panoply of pharmaceutical drugs and counter-drugs to the stimulation . . . i mean IDEALLY they all cancel out what they're supposed to cancel out and everything works out fine and he has the trip of a lifetime, OR, just a little OR, it's just one straw too much for the camel's back, and we have a fatality.

Remember when PV got serotonin syndrome from what was it, moxy + molly? moderate doses of both to boot. She was in a lot of pain for over 2 weeks from that, and that's a fairly "reasonable" combo to try. Even just one poor choice in a two drug combo can be highly dangerous, especially with the phens.

 

what is the shelf life of 2c-i, I recently got some that's an off white. Should I be storing it in the freezer?!

 

Not necessary, just store it the way you would store cannabis, or spices in your kitchen, or any kind of semi-perishable item (old family photos etc) away from

-heat
-light
-air


i keep mine in baggies inside a little simple container. just keep them room temperature or cold, air sealed (nothing fancy, the baggies they are in are enough), and out of direct sunlight for long periods of time.

 

Cool, thanks. just concerned bout the offwhitness!

 

True, so if he does it, he needs to take half or even a third or a quarter of the doses he posted. There's a right way and a wrong way to combine substances, and I'm sure he could find some reasonable doses, if he really wants to combine all of those compounds.

 

If your not experienced with plugging those phens Cosmoknot possibly switching up the order on what you dose may be advised if you're set on those chems and dosages. I've plugged 18 mgs 2ce and it was quite a bit more potent than 24 mgs oral (my highest oral dose) in all aspects except body load. ~14 mgs of 2ct2 snorted was more potent for me than 50 mgs oral, not sure if plugged would have a similar potency.

I assume you probably have a strategic reason for choosing the order the way you did but throwing that out there if your not all that experienced with the roa.

I do maintain its abuse but a part of me is actually slightly curious how it goes.

 

Just got back from getting essential oils to calm me down, since real flowers are rare in colorado winters

But I think porks idea is a good one on dosage.

That would be the dosage I would do after 2 tests at lower dosages. One with under threshold dosages, then one with noticeably above threshold. Have a trip sitter, working phone, drink lots of water, take vitamins, etc.. Still risky though.

How about this, since both me and writer and ... someone else in this thread maybe know its intense. IM 75mg DPT alone. If you want better, 75mg IV. You prob wont want to do drugs ever again after this though

Mixing chemicals is dangerous. Shulgin even has warnings and how he doesn't do it or study it.

This thread exploded! kewl... :2thumbsup:

Cosmo -->:love:<-- Writer

 

^ 75 mgs iv dpt possibly might be more dangerous than the combo he has in mind, makes my arm hurt just thinking about it and plus its like a 5 minute trip.

After how ridiculous the initial combo he had in mind started out to still how ridiculous it still is and commotion its caused it deserves at least a long torturous (or blissful) day of tripping to report back from.

 

I have gone as high as 60 mg with 4-aco-dmt, but i took it on an empty stomach (except a few beers) and I had intense nausea and vomiting (but not till like 3 hours after ingestion did i actually vomit) and intestinal pain so it kind of ruined the experience for most of it (i was retarded for taking it in that manner obviously). Even still the visuals weren't very strong. I ate 5 grams of just caps from really good shrooms once - that gave strong visuals except it was ruined by me feeling incredibly tired.

I like doing high dosages too like cosmoknot, but I actually like my life and would rather not die, I'm not sure that's the case for him or not. I have done high doses before, like 21 grams of good cubensis shrooms 6 hits of acid and 5 triple stack E pills and 150 mg ketinet (supposedly its ketamine but for humans, ketamine, human cartel - its the same as ketamine but stronger. There is also large animal ketamine for elephants and shit. My friend said that stuff is too potent haha, never tried it myself ...), which I didnt feel at all cause i was so amped up. Its really fun to dose that high, but it puts a strain on your brain that can add up if you do it frequently and can result in quite apparent loss of reasoning ability and cognitive functioning capabilities, as was demonstrated by an erowid report of a person who binged on 2ce and 2ci over a 6 month period, doing 5 grams total over that time, snorting about half, doing a combined total of around 400 mg on the last day. This is only in extreme examples.

I just tried 113 mg dpt insufflated a few hours ago. It wasn't quite as intense as I was expecting though I still got fairly decent visuals at times, but it was hard for me to describe them or even really figure out what they were if anything myself. I think most of it was just general feeling of stuff shifting and moving relative to other stuff, which seems to be pretty common with hallucinogens.

A general trend with me seems to be I dont get visuals easily at all, except 2ce gives me amazing visuals at 60 mg oral.

 

Hey Mr. Writer, I feel as though I owe you the apology, & I owe you a debt of gratitude for most decidedly offering the best advice possible, so thank you man.

After reading more about t2's MAO inhibitory properties, I conceed that my previous batty thoughts really could've made for a fatal cocktail after all.

So I've taken your advice & grown the fuck up, seriously. Yeah, I value my life too much to turn it into an embarrassing cautionary tale.

I really am grateful that you were so blunt & honest. I do realize that your handgrenade allegory actually is pretty accurate. Honestly, a recent trip on 4-aco-dmt & 4-ho-mipt really got me thinking that there's no need to ever go that far, even if it ended up badass.

So please accept my apology & understand that I believe you helped me avoid a potentially lethal combo, you do know your shit dude.

 

:grouphug: :cheers2:

So glad to hear that! And glad you're alive and not a statistic cheers man

 

Yeah. To be a number would suck.

 

Nice, I guess you don't want to die after all that's good news!