^^^Listen to smitty op. I have no experience with 2ct7 but based on my experience with 2ct2 which shares a similar dose/response curve for routes of administration go with like a 50 mgs oral dose or a 10ish mg nasal dose. On 2ct2 it felt like the equivalent to a 600-700 mg hard mescaline trip (higher than ive ever been on mescaline) on 10 Mgs nasal as where 20 mgs oral for me was like maybe a 150 mg mescaline trip, Seems for many you really have to dose high orally or go for nasal on the lower end with the 2c-t-x compounds. Unless you got it off the street I wouldn't worry that it was cut. Do read up on the deaths if you haven't though not to necessarily scare yourself but to be aware.
the doses do seem to vary greatly for this one from person to person. me and my buddy for example. 50 mg will blow my mind away while he still hasn't gotten the same effects at up to 60 mg. he's still tripping no doubt, but not like me. he calls it a "high functioning trip" while i'm laid out on the floor watching lights dance around the room. i've read that people with an extremely high oral tolerance have had success with "normal" nasal doses though. i really don't suggest nasal unless you have a limited amount of material to work with though.
I tried 2c-t-7 2 times. The first time, (I was on some MDMA too) after about 2 hours when it kicked in i started getting shroom/acid like visuals where if i let my eyes relax things start to shift and move a little. I took a leak on the cement and I thought i heard a whole crowd cheering. this was on one capsule, not sure how much it had in it probably 15 mg or something. After that I had to drive for 5 hours while tripping and i hit a bird but i didnt really notice any hallucinogenic effects after i was driving or after those first two experiences at all. I tried it again later and took 2 pills this time. This time i never felt shit at all. But i am a high dose person, for 2ce at 20mg all i get is a body high with similar slight visuals that i got the first time i did 2ct7, but only when i stare at a textured surface and relax my eyes. The second time i did 40 mg and i started getting some pretty cool visuals, but they werent super strong and a higher dose woulda been better. Next time i took 60 mg and it was amazing. Lots of really strong visuals. Im out now, but next time ima take more. Anyway, I know the 2ct7 was good casue my friends took it and they were trippin balls. one guy said he saw the cookie monster come up to him and offer him a cookie. it think i read once that some people require really high doses of 2ct7 to trip and naturally ima be one of those people ... I would try higher doses but I live in the US so 2ct7 is illegal here, so it cost me 20 bucks a pill and if i need to take like 4 or more to trip thats pretty damn expensive, which is why ima stick with other 2c-X's. im thinkin of ordering some 2ct2 but i hear its weaker and there is a bigger body load than on 2ct7, but the body loads arent usualy a problem for me. I dont get any nausea if i have eaten before i take the 2ct7, though the first time i was also already on E and i hadnt eaten shit all day but E and then 2ct7 so my stomach was all acidic and upset. Do you guys think that 2ct2 is a worthy substitute to 2ct7?
To Hallucinations: I've never done 2ct7 but I don't think 2ct2 will 'substitute' for it. When it comes to psychedelics I don't think really any of them substitute for another. Sure some have similar characteristics and effects but they all retain distinct effects and also your set and setting can dramatically alter the effects. 2ct2 has a similar dose as 2ct7, if you do it oral I would go for a higher dose like 35 mgs and up. Nasal is much lower I did 10 mgs and was floored very hard. Its intense nasally, its not a very euphoric substance but at the same time its a good one.
Yeah you do have a good point, they are different but 2ct7 is hard to get and a lot more expensive and i need large amounts and i figured the effects of 2ct2 would be more like 2ct7 than anything else. I think if I do get some again i will just snort it. i'm not expecting any of these compounds to be euphoric, i am doing them for the hallucinogenic effects. some people feel euphoric on acid or other hallucinogens but i generally dont.
Well from what I've heard mescaline comes the closest to 2ct7 even to the point of people selling 2ct7 off as mescaline. There are mescaline cacti available and you can do extractions from them if you wish. I enjoy San pedro alot but I always make a cactus preparation opposed to extraction, the vile taste reminds me not to do it to often and respect the cacti.
Yeah I have heard people say that it is very similar to mescaline but possibly even more potent. I have done synthetic mescaline a couple times, but only felt something while I was vomiting and then after that I didn't really feel anything. The next time I took 5 at once which was a bad idea cause i threw up pretty quick, should have spread them out. But I never tripped very hard on it, same with 2ct7. I think I just need really high doses. If i can get 2ct7 again i will snort it and hopefully ill trip then. So do people think that mescaline is more similar to 2ct7 than 2ct2? Oh an as far as the euphoria - people describe 2ci or 2ce as being like doing acid and E sometimes, but I generally don't experience euphoria on anything but E. However i have only done 2ci once at this point and it was probably only 15 or 20 mg and I didn't trip very hard. So maybe I am the outlier in not experiencing much euphoria on these hallucinogens or maybe I just don't notice it as much as compared to the euphoria generated by E I dont know.
well based on what smitty and mdbnkc have told me as well as what I've read 2ct7 is far closer to mescaline then 2ct2. The structure of the visuals on 2ct2 are vaguely similar to mescaline but its a got a pretty cold chemical feeling to it that leaves me in a pretty neutral mood. Its one of the stranger rc's I've done when insuffalated. Its the only phenethylamine that's given me periods of solely auditory hallucinations. Its pretty visual insuffalated in a sense do but I prefer a higher oral dose. As far as 2ci goes I think its more like coke and mushrooms( probably nothing like a combo of the two) but its a sharp and alert feeling for me as opposed to blissed out like ecstasy. Colors are the prominent visual activity, I see 'shading' in objects and its got a slightly disorienting quality which is more like mushrooms to me. I have a feeling of natural poison run through me on mushrooms I feel synthetic poisoned on 2ci but the body load is not too bad. But again this gets back to its hard to substitute drugs for one another, even compare. This 2ci instance is a great example , you now have 4 drugs of comparison LOL. But 2ci is stimulating and visual for some probably take it somewhere you are familiar with first.
I found 2ci to be well...kinda lame. I never got any sort of euphoria from it (not that that was what I was looking for) even going up to 50 mg. L gives me some powerful euphoria sometimes, but t7 gave me more euphoria than MDMA ever has.
T7 gives you more euphoria then MDMA? I almost guarantee I won't agree with you but that's got me really excited to hear. Sorry if that comes off as jaded but MDMA is magical at times.
On my harder trips it felt like more euphoria than my body could physically handle. Stuff can be pretty ridiculous. The other 2cs I've done can't really compare.
Nice MDMA can get that way too, I get the "wooo I need to sit down for a minute" feeling. I just can't imagine it having that same feeling with music where it feels like its in you and you disappear in it and like a massage feels like a touch from god. I'm dunno I'm a natural skeptic man, I'll find out soon enough.
It's funny, cuz I would say all those things are present in a t7 trip . The music I was listening to greatly affected my visuals (reggae rainbows everywhere). Look forward to hearing what you think of it. If you dose 50 orally I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Tons of people have said that t7 is superior to MDMA in euphoria and possibly the most euphoric chemical in existence, along with having some of the best visuals out there and a wonderful headspace. It sounds solid, I hope it works for me when I try it again.
I really want to try it, I can get t2 now but it sounds like an inferior version of t7 so I figured it'd just wait and get t7.
I defintely am curious to try 2ct2 with MDMA, I think that would be a great combo for tripping, although it slightly worries me. 2ct2 is amazing imo and I think if phens were to be truly applied in therapy that if mdma was initially used, 2ct2 would be the best follow up medicine to it. I think some people don't like it because it a very neutral headspace and is not terribly euphoric, its not very appealing as a recreational drug. I completely understand why its part of shulgins magical half dozen tho.
