4-aco-dmt 40mg oral

You thought it was embarrassingly intimate? You should have read the unedited version where I wondered why I felt confused when confronted with my shame at the act of crying in front of my friend right before the peak and then got lost in the dualities of masculine and feminine. :tongue:
But really, the MDMA one would be more difficult and way more intimate than the acid TR I wrote, because to write it, I'll have to go into a whole lot of experiences that immediately occurred during the trip and during the next day that most people will probably not even believe actually happened. It was that crazy.

I just meant, it isn't possible because there is no 'I' (as in, limited, subjective perspective) to be experiencing the sensation.

 

well the "i" is perceived to be there, and that is enough for it to be real, realer than the city of Shanghai, which is not perceived (from where "me" and "you" are)

i see where you're coming from now i think. you feel this sensation, then realize there is no you to feel this sensation, and are stuck in "so what the hell is going on?" correct?

my solution is to forget about whether or not there is a you or not. forget about that. drop the whole question. drop the seeking of what is 'real'. that is when you can truly drop the 'i' and just float in bliss in the sensation, not worrying about whether or not the mind's "i" which is reporting on it is real or not. all i care about is the report, not who's giving it to me. like a good movie; i don't care who owns the theater, i came for the show.

 

15 mg insufflated was pretty crazy.

 

shermin, the conversion for HCl to fumarate is
1.36 X HCl weight = fumarate weight
for example, 15 mg HCl = 20.4 mg fumarate
so shit, you were pretty close
this is just based on the molecular weights of the two different salts, not any other differences due to biochemistry or subjective feelings

 

i just guessed based on experiences i had read, and assumed my vague understanding of the molecular weight of hcl vs fumarate. [thanks wikipedia]

In my nasal dosing with the chiemical, i've noticed that it is like taking 2 different drugs at 2 different times: in 20 minutes, i've gotten high but it's very unlike psilocin...about an hour after that, the trips have gotten much more visual.

i assume this is the 4-aco-dmt fumarate being less prone to oxidization than the hcl?

i think i may try to convert some of my fumarate to HCL [i ASSUME this won't be too complicated, but i'll have to do a bit of research]

so i'd dissolve product in water and basify with NaOH at the proper mole ratio, [try to vaporize some of the base, then possible write a TR about it], add HCL and precipitate?

...now that i think about it, will it just oxidize to 4-ho-dmt as soon as i basify?

i'm sorry, i've never actually taken a chemistry class....and am currently heavily medicated, and recovering from a roll/trip [all insufflated 50mg QUALITY MDMA, an unknown small amount of MDA [between 10 and 30mg, and a total of about 40mg of nasal 2c-c] last night...i'm in a good mood, but a bit spacey....it was an amazing combo.


...pork??

 

that's the real shit, i wanna hear about THAT kinda shit.

 

I know right?
You aren't exploring until you are in the mud man - the only real psychonauts as far as I'm concerned are not the ones who always talk about peace and understanding, but the ones who are willing to go to the places that most people refuse to even try to fathom - the negative, fucked up, uncomfortable areas of the mind. That's what I'm interested in
But as for the MDMA trip report, this one might have to be PM material, I'm sure if I posted it in public I would be accused of lying and trolling lol

 

if you are asking ME that question, i don't have that much knowledge of organic chemistry to give advice
sorry

 

honestly, fuck the haters. you do your thing and if they wanna do their thing then bless them. they are just performing their function of the universe.

 

yea, in retrospect, that's a lame idea.

it seems pretty easy to convert 4-aco-dmt to 4-ho-dmt...which is actually interesting!


i guess you just have to basify it and it will oxidize by itself [maybe with a little heat?], then i'd assume add the proper amount of HCL [converting it to an hcl salt] solution for solubility?

i vaguely recall someone doing this on a bluelight thread...



i'm sorry, i'm REALLY not a chemist...i mean, i know more than your average dude, but i really am no chemist.

 

AND for the record;

friends have told me that 20mg nasal [4-aco-dmt fum.] is a bit too high of a dose[personally, i LOVE this stuff...20mg nasal, and 18mg nasal 2c-c was one of the best trips of my life...there'll be a report soon!]....so this could mean it's a little more than 2x as potent nasally vs oral [more like 2.5x?]

i think i'm going to start capping it out into 18mg capsuls instead of 20...the extra few mg seem to make a big difference with this chemical [doesn't seem to have much of a diminished return]

 

So if I have a max of 25 mgs worth of material at my disposal, insuffalation of like 20 mgs would be the way to go? Is the duration much different than oral?

Or is 25 mgs oral suffice.

 

That's what makes it so damn impressive, how high you can go with this one. Top grade shit.

 

Good fucking shit. I just happened to grab a few 4-aco's the other day, time to get hyped for it

 

Nice report Mr. Writer. Can't wait to try it finally.

 

great description. i was surprised on my first strong trip on aces, at how much it inhibited my "doing."
we walked to the park, and we had to pause and rest in my car, right outside the front door
then we had to make it back home pretty soon after, so we could lay on the couch and just give in.

this is pretty much the territory that my brother found himself in with 36 mg of 4aces, fumarate. 45.5 mg had me right there with him, but i could still walk around a bit...


this wasn't your first time trying 4aces, was it?

neither of these ended up happening did they? :daisy:
funny how our tripping plans work out.


your description of the river makes me eager to try 4aces at MY river spot, you know the one writer.
but i've developed an annual tradition of dosing L at that spot. maybe i'll go twice this summer, i just bought an awesome hiking pack for the occasion.

 

This was indeed my first time with 4aces . I never snorted it nor did 80mg, just 40mg again, then 50 (which was too much at the time, complete cosmicfuckfest), then 30 with a buddy and 30 with volupta a while ago. 80 would be complete overkill and not worth it i think. at the time of this writing i didn't realize how close to the edge 40mg already was

 

i just (re)read 3 of your trip reports. looks like it was this one, then the 50 mg one that blew you away, then 40 mg again the next year.

i noticed the psychological load when i did 45 mg too. and i've given a couple of friends too high of doses for their first try with it.

after those three reports, i'm really tempted to go to my stash jar and get out a dose of 4aces for the afternoon


i also am wishing that i would have written a trip report for that 45 mg one. i think i was feeling too brain fuzzed to do so at first. now my comments are lost in one of the bump threads.

how do you find that 30 mg compares to 40? i REALLY wanna go camping at that river soon, and now i really wanna take some 4aces when i do

 

For functioning and stuff I think 30 is the way to go. 40 is great if you don't have to do much at all . . . you're in pretty deep. but with 30 you're in deep enough for belly laughs and visuals but you could still collect firewood or set up a tent i imagine.

 

even though i've had problems with functioning at this spot on LSD (~200 ug and "300 ug" doses)... i don't have to function THAT much, so if i end up doing it i'll probably dose something like 35-40 mg.

i've only taken 25 mg, then ~2.5 + 29.5 mg (which were both pretty weak), then 45 mg, then 32 mg on the tail of of LSD. even that 32 mg was not that strong. but both of those 32 mg doses could have had tolerance issues.

45 mg was strong but still gentle. it's kinda like a tryptamine 2cb? i've not had many tryptamines, so it's probably a bad comparison.

i said above that 45 mg gave me a psychological hangover, but it was actually the first 32 mg that did that. it was when i was dosing ~ every 2 weeks instead of "just" once a month or so (which is normal for the last 3 years).

my ONE friend who responded well to 4acodmt took 37 mg and hiked around in the woods, and drank beer. he loved it. this stuff is touchy dosage wise.


another good one to try at the river might be 25i/25c?

my river is not as close as yours though. and it's actually not a river, more like a creek or stream.